someone's projecting lmao

How?

Sometimes trans folk can come on very, very strong about this stuff, but from their perspective, I honestly can't blame them. Trans people face so much goddamn suspicion, misinformation and hate that it really is a daily struggle for them to just get people to accept them for who they are.

comes out*

That is true

Also we are both gonna get buried because of that just wait

I have a lot of chud exes who always forget I’m trans. I tell them all the time, but my life’s circumstances keep me forever at the wannabe stage. Some of them support trans rights, but when they see the hyper-feminine body that I have and hate, they just go full coom brain. So, I unironically relate to this ship.

What the hell are you on about and why did you make this shit trend again?

They're doing this weird staggered rollout on some pages but not others. Because they KNOW we hate it, they have received nothing but negative feedback, but they might be under some obligation to try it out anyway

Yes, how could you tell?

all of these make me cringe

We are just fooling ourselves if we think the original image was made in that good faith. It literally starts by insulting a target as "idiots" and a fictional label. Nobody starts a conversation with the intention of making friends by insulting them unless they already are good enough friends with that level of trust achieved.

this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but just as someone who used to be in this crowd, i feel that the sort of "uwu you are heckin valid" thing comes off as kinda… off. it's always come off as "you are valid but the only way you'll get this type of acceptance is with baby talk and pastel aesthetics."

maybe as a young teen that kinda thing comes off as acceptable, but then you turn into an adult and become more mature and it becomes weird.

but this is also a very personal opinion from experience from years of ending up discovering my identity through tumblr.

I always thought hecking sounded dumb that thats just imo

I’d only obligate as to legal protections. Socially it’s still a minefield.

If you refuse to confirm it, clearly that means you're denying their existence and are a horrible phobic bigot.

Could not agree more

From my experience, mot nonbinary people aren't looking for confirmation: they know who they are. They're looking for acceptance: other people know who they are and will be okay with it.

So if your friend came out as NB, would you accept them?

People here are just looking for a group marginalized enough that they can get away with thinly-veiled hating them. Hell this site is still split on trans people

Well, that point would get across much better if a big chunk of their time was not spent talking down to the very people they pretend to live amongst without having their gender identity be scrutinized. If it really was just "basically that", then the story would end there and nothing else happens. But nope: passive-agressive cartoon character winning a made-up argument about gender it is.

People take issue with these type of people and not with tomboys/femboys/whatever because the latter are not being smug about their mere, literal existence and making up words to label people that disagree with them. A tomboy wears pants, has short hair and maybe plays sports; these people give 10K upvotes to an image childishly insulting those who adhere to the concept of gender dysphoria being real. The only thing those 2 have in common is, as you say, not hurting anyone, which is a bare minimum bar that simply means we will not jail them for it. We still do not have to like something or someone just for being harmless. Clickbait Youtubers are often harmless, but they are not any less stupid and even scummy because of it.

So yes, embrace your inevitable downvotes, and maybe learn something from it if you truly care about this topic as much as you tell yourself and this is not just about telling us how morally superior you are after your illuminating personal change towards being a more accepting person… who does not accept most people's opinions about this.

There's a bunch of Tumblr users on 4chan right now. I'm not kidding at all, they're annoying and they are everywhere, spamming their tumblr-isms and constantly talking about yuri and yaoi.

This is what is called a backlash meme. Typical 4chan users grew annoyed by every thread being derailed by people calling them -ist or -phobic, and this was created as result. This is what happens when you try to "cure" 4chan, they try to infect you.

Weebs.

What about us?

To this day there STILL is 0 scientific evidence of non-binary genders and the mere concept of non-binary genders is a social construct unlike the 2 genders that have been forged by millions years of evolution.

We can literally tell the difference between a male and female brain due to hormone/chemical/synapse differences. This is how we made transgender people valid since we were able to prove that people with gender dysphoria were born with the other gender's brain.
For a non-binary gender to exist it would need a brain with a hormone/chemical/synapse mapped differently than males and females AND could be mapped similarly in others I.E. how male brains are similar.
Non-Binaries have yet to prove this.
The best they can do s find a brain that's an aberration with no duplicates, unlike a males or females, and thus has no other brains like it to be a gender.
Saying it is a new gender is like saying a person born with webbed feet is a new species.

Many pro-nonbinary people I have met even gave up on proving it scientifically and argue I should accept it due to "morality."
No.

BigUni i don't understant half of the things you're talking about but i have a feeling that what you're saying is bullshit

I am by no means "implying" anything and I am, in fact, all ears and eyes. May I see the research documents and papers about this on a trustworthy online source..? I assure you that I will believe anything that 100% unquestionable, internationally peer-reviewed science says on this matter.

…Ok let me see if i broke this down right. What I am thinking is that you are talking about how non binary people are valid because gender roles are starting to fade(even though they kinda are not they are changing and evolving but thats a whole differnt can of worms) and makes perfect sense due to transmedicalism which Is the experience of gender dysphoria being treated via hormons…correrct me if i am wrong.

Fuck you even on about?

To be fair most Enbies end up looking like girls, except for the ones with beards or clearly masculine features

I don't know a thing about you, but fuck it. You're cute and valid.

I'm not sure. I've expected far worse. The ones giving negative takes are the usual suspects.

I can't remember if it was you or some other used who made it their mission to prove that this site is a right wing hive that pretends to be centrist. But if you care for that, my comment should be down there along the chain.

Is there non gender conforming clothes?

>Please seek therapy
psychiatry is dead

In my view NB identity is simply ridiculous, if anything you should conform to the sex you were born with. Though I'm not stopping someone from cutting their reproductive organs off or themselves say they're some other sex or gender. Sorry to be blunt but that's how I feel about these strange ideas people have on their sex.

Though from what I understand, some gays and lesbians don't like trans or NB people, or 70+ genders thing. I personally think trans people or NB people need a therapist/psychologist to help them not encourage them to do things that may damage/alter their bodies or minds.

Personally I just think, if somebody is like, "I don't really want to think of myself as male or female" then that's fine. I don't think they really need a rigorous basis to justify feeling that way.

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• >Lamenters.

• >Lamenters.

I mean, to be fair, there's a reason for the overcompensation. Yeah, it's everywhere and repeated again and again by the nb/trans community and it gets annoying. But they also live in a society where basically no one, except for people inside their own circles accept them. So they end up internalizing that they're actually [birth gender] and use the "you are a beautiful nb and valid!" to compensate with it.

I'm also skeptical about the "actually in denial about their gender" argument since other lgbt people on the spectrum such as gay men and lesbians parade their orientation around, and no one would say "they're actually straight."

It may be overcompensating, and annoying when they spam it everywhere, but try to see things from their perspective. Society is far from accepting them, just look at almost every single upvoted comment on this thread about how they don't actually exist "because biology." Lowering your barriers and risking being made fun of is terrible, and keeping in all the stress and depression from being excluded would make you miserable, so you think you have to express this anguish somehow. And even if you cringe at this, you have to remember that behind almost every smug meme about being valid, is a person about to collapse.

It reminds me of when Splatoon 2 got flooded by such kind of images with the very same condescending, passive-aggressive tone.

Lucky for us that that did not last long and those vanished for good, and then got replaced by furries which did come to stay… Now that is the definition of "necessary evil" if I ever saw one.

Wait THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED ARBY'S AAAAAAAAARGH

Same energy

>making fun of
>implying we don't all wanna fugg the enby

Did they ever?

Truscum is someone who believes that you must have body dysmorphia to be trans. People wh odon't believe that you must have body dysmorphia to be trans are called Trucute (guess which group came up with the names).

Someone with gender dysphoria, hated by the sjw crowd for some reason

"Enbie" is slang for "non-binary", derived from the abbreviation "NB".

"Truscum" is an alternative term for "transmedicalist", who believe that gender dysphoria is a requirement for being transgender. The alternative exists as an intentional snarl, and was coined by the same person as "tucute".

Kids (actually sad-sack 30yos) feel a need to punctuate the cultural collapse that was the 2010s with creating a few dozen political identities.

better you don't tbh lol

If you wanna stretch it, you can say that it happened to "autistic" via the promotion of the identity-first viewpoint among the actual autistic community. Hell I'm autistic and I warmed up to it around the start of this year.

Then again, use of "autistic" as a stock insult is still recognized as incredibly discriminatory, so one can also argue that its 4chan meaning was rejected rather than reclaimed.

Well, Tumblrspeak is cute and pastel, chanspeak is using slurs as suffixes, and using slurs in general.

Because you only end up with a few dozen variations on the n-word.

Oh yeah, like Danish and Swedish (my native language), though as horrible as Danish is to listen to I prefer it over the alphabet people slang..

Scots is pretty close to what you described (minus the migraine and seizure part). Broad Jamaican Patois can also be that way.

"Enby" is a way of referencing "NB", or nonbinary, someone who does not conform entirely to being fully male or fully female. Basically it's saying that nonbinary people are correct in their gender identity and that they look attractive while doing so.

how the fuck are they "appropriating" it

basically like all the old punks I know are enbies

'as usual'

pol is rarely funny

"It sounds like some cutesy language that implies I'm a goddamned child"
Like "OOPSIE WOOPSIE!! Uwu We made a fucky wucky!! A wittle fucko boingo! The code monkeys at our headquarters are working VEWY HAWD to fix this!" ?

"The people opposed to social progress"

How is coming up with a dozen terms instead of being satisfied with what's between your legs, "progressive"?

Providing material evidence to support their claims would work much better.

which is a bummer, because the art itself isn't that bad.

reminds me of the oh joy sex toy cuck comic

Because the Tumblr/Twitter LGBTQQ2IAP community's internal power struggle is the Oppression Olympics where the bunself who is the most oppressed special-est snowflake is the one to rule them all. This is incompatible with accessibility, being a relatively normal person outside of your sexuality, or just not being a gigantic toxic backstabbing asshole in general.

Just find normal people (who may or may not be gender and sexual minorities) to hang with instead of Twitter blue checkmarks and you can avoid most of the drama.

I don't get it either. Tucute and truscum are terms that were created by a troll, yet somehow, actual people started using it unironically.

Because the movement is filled with deranged/insecure people who crave attention and unwarranted praise, as well as the belittlement and humiliation of their enemies.

Truscum is a perjorative way of saying trans medicalist, i.e. someone who believes in having a formal diagnosis for dysphoria--especially before taking hormones.

"truscum" is nonsense made up by tumblrinas to mock those who actually have dysphoria because that apparently makes them bad in their twisted nonsense

why I never use any of the flags or terms

I don't know much about Truscum, but 'Enby' comes from NB, meaning Non-Binary.

it's a Reddit original

The meme itself is alright, what ruins it is the 4chans delusion.

The whole Chud (i.e. an alt-right/far-right traditionalist, basically your usual 4channer) gets the Enbie (a person who is non-binary, who are usually pretty left-wing/liberal since you know the right-wing is really into gender essentialism) is just a pure 4chan self-esteem masturbation contest.

Like I'm genuinely waiting for them to start writing fanfics where they're the main character and where they're cool and get the girl and everybody loves them. It's like half of 4chan memes are "ignore reality, we're the cool ones, they're the ugly ones". Are they actually that deluded or is it just a way to boost their own self-esteem?

Also, why are 4channers so pre-occupied with black men? Like they're ALWAYS talking about them in relation to how left-wingers are supposedly want to fuck them/be fucked by them. Same thing with different sexual fetishes. For instance, they claim that left-wingers are all into cuckolding, but I am 100% certain that the majority of left-wingers learnt about this fetish FROM 4channers, not the other way around. Their accusations sound like confessions.

Very interesting. Do you have a link to an article or forum post about this? Just curious how you discovered the link.

That's genuinely interesting, thanks.