I think he’s probably a shitty dude who had a woke ally image to lure in fans. It’s more surprising because of his image, but then he was also super good friends with cry and said nothing about his bs.
Looking past the vindictive framing of the allegations it seems to largely come down to him being a bad friend/partner, which there doesn't seem to be much doubt about. It just comes across like his ex friends/girlfriends decided to smear him as a jimmy saville or ian watkins style pedophile to get back at him, latching on to him publicly dating a girl of legal age when he was younger to justify it.
While some consider that could be immoral it doesn't make him a grooming pedophile, especially when the allegations are also that he is generally dating 25 year old adult women, which they find to be abusive because he is older.
While some consider that could be immoral it doesn't make him a grooming pedophile, especially when the allegations are also that he is generally dating 25 year old adult women,
I actually agree with you on this point -- I don't think he has a pattern of "grooming" (for age impropriety), but he does "groom" for vulnerability, and I can personally attest to that.
which they find to be abusive because he is older.
I disagree with the framing here. He's not being accused of abuse merely because of the age difference -- he's being accused of abuse because they are alleging actual abuse. I know of 2 women so far (one of whom was involved in the imgur dump) who were physically abused by him, and I know of at least 3 who were emotionally abused over a long period to the point of having PTSD afterwards.
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I know the age difference was not the only thing they consider abusive. What I have seen from verified accounts on here I find it believable that he is emotionally abusive and has "hit" girls at least a couple times.
What is the extent of his alleged physical abuse that you know of btw? The pinned post I think only mentions it once, which they refer to as "hitting" in his relationship when he was younger and read like it might have only been once but was left unclear if multiple occurrences.
It is strange that the pinned post leans heavily on the pedophile smears and builds up to outright calling him a grooming hebephile (11-14 year olds from what I googled about it?) yet they play down being physically abused as "hitting", maybe once, and barely mention it.
Kind of my thoughts as well. The OG post made a lot of hefty claims. I figured their "evidence" was going to be... like... evidence. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this many people dated this man and none of them have any kind of text messages / anything else between themselves and their abuser. I was really irritated that the screenshots were so... nothing. It's giving me MamaMax flashbacks. I hate that this kind of situation exists - where you're damned if you do, damned if you dont. Do you allow Dave to be eaten alive and risk Slazo or ProJared to happen all over again, or do you condem the shoddy way the allegations were made and risk harming the victims of a serial abuser in power - which happens WAY too often in our world?
There won't be a response. I wouldn't be surprised if he just completely disappears from the internet as a public figure. I just hope to God he has a good support system around him because no matter what he did, he definitely has mental health struggles that would make all of this a hell to live through. No matter who you are, no one deserves this level of hate with no chance to clear your name.
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All we have is a friggin text exchange between people 2 people both saying what a horrible person he is. THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE
I will agree it isn't apparent but there are more than 2 people involved in the exchange.
Also a questionable but legal relationship with rachel
I think he’s probably a shitty dude who had a woke ally image to lure in fans. It’s more surprising because of his image, but then he was also super good friends with cry and said nothing about his bs.
What's the BS with Cry? Sorry I've only seen collabs, don't know more
Similar issue, but with more evidence. Accusations of sexual misconduct towards fans, especially underage ones.
Looking past the vindictive framing of the allegations it seems to largely come down to him being a bad friend/partner, which there doesn't seem to be much doubt about. It just comes across like his ex friends/girlfriends decided to smear him as a jimmy saville or ian watkins style pedophile to get back at him, latching on to him publicly dating a girl of legal age when he was younger to justify it.
While some consider that could be immoral it doesn't make him a grooming pedophile, especially when the allegations are also that he is generally dating 25 year old adult women, which they find to be abusive because he is older.
I actually agree with you on this point -- I don't think he has a pattern of "grooming" (for age impropriety), but he does "groom" for vulnerability, and I can personally attest to that.
I disagree with the framing here. He's not being accused of abuse merely because of the age difference -- he's being accused of abuse because they are alleging actual abuse. I know of 2 women so far (one of whom was involved in the imgur dump) who were physically abused by him, and I know of at least 3 who were emotionally abused over a long period to the point of having PTSD afterwards.
I know the age difference was not the only thing they consider abusive. What I have seen from verified accounts on here I find it believable that he is emotionally abusive and has "hit" girls at least a couple times.
What is the extent of his alleged physical abuse that you know of btw? The pinned post I think only mentions it once, which they refer to as "hitting" in his relationship when he was younger and read like it might have only been once but was left unclear if multiple occurrences.
It is strange that the pinned post leans heavily on the pedophile smears and builds up to outright calling him a grooming hebephile (11-14 year olds from what I googled about it?) yet they play down being physically abused as "hitting", maybe once, and barely mention it.
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Treating them badly, dumping them and moving on
Totally agree.
Kind of my thoughts as well. The OG post made a lot of hefty claims. I figured their "evidence" was going to be... like... evidence. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this many people dated this man and none of them have any kind of text messages / anything else between themselves and their abuser. I was really irritated that the screenshots were so... nothing. It's giving me MamaMax flashbacks. I hate that this kind of situation exists - where you're damned if you do, damned if you dont. Do you allow Dave to be eaten alive and risk Slazo or ProJared to happen all over again, or do you condem the shoddy way the allegations were made and risk harming the victims of a serial abuser in power - which happens WAY too often in our world?
I think that we need to wait for his response in order to come to our own conclusions
Why? What is there to form an opinion?
If it is true, they will go to court. If he is found guilty he will do time.
If it isn't true, they will never go to court and it will die in 2 months.
Isn't Big Brother or some "reality" shoe better than this?
There won't be a response. I wouldn't be surprised if he just completely disappears from the internet as a public figure. I just hope to God he has a good support system around him because no matter what he did, he definitely has mental health struggles that would make all of this a hell to live through. No matter who you are, no one deserves this level of hate with no chance to clear your name.