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About
Groyper refers to an exploitable illustration of Pepe the Frog resting his chin on interlinked hands, variations of which are commonly used as profile avatars among the alt-right and new right on Twitter and the alternative social networking service WrongThink.
Additionally, Groypers (also known as Groyper Army) is the name of a group of far-right and alt-right nationalists and conservatives critical of the mainstream conservatism and led by political commentator Nicholas J. Fuentes.
Origin
The earliest known use of the word "Groyper" on 4chan was in a post submitted by user "Big Dog Groyper" to the /r9k/ board on February 28th, 2015.[3] The earliest known variation of the Pepe illustration was submitted to a thread on 4chan's /v/ board on March 25th, 2016 (shown below).[1] It is currently unclear when the illustration was given the name "Groyper."
Spread
On May 31st, 2017, a 4chan user replied to a thread on /pol/ about Pepe the Frog, saying "Groyper is a toad. He's friends with Pepe" (shown below).
On July 28th, YouTuber Savickas uploaded a video titled "Groyper Mesmerizes you to sleep." Redditor depressingmidget posted a variation of Groyper merged with the character Wojak to /r/wojak[2] (shown below, left). That month, the @that_groyper Twitter feed[4] was launched, which highlights exploitable variations of the illustration (shown below, middle, right). Over the next month, Twitter accounts appearing to post content in favor of the alt-right began using photoshop variations of the Pepe illustration as their profile avatar.[5][6][7][8][9]
Groyper Army
Groypers or Groyper Army refers to a group of far-right and alt-right nationalists and conservatives led by political commentator Nicholas J. Fuentes who are critical of mainstream conservative groups and speakers due to them stepping away from values considered "true conservatism" by the Groypers.[10][11][12] Those targeted, mocked and/or trolled by the group include Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Dan Crenshaw, Trump Jr. and an American conservative nonprofit organization Turning Point USA.
The movement takes their name from the meme, with Groyper memes widely used by those associated with the group. Twitter accounts associated with the movement spawned several of notable memes, most notably Nordic Gamer. [13]
Groyper War
Groyper War refers to a series of undermining actions taken by the Groyper Army against an American conservative nonprofit organization Turning Point USA and mainstream conservatives.
On October 29th, 2019, a Turning Point USA event at the Ohio State University was sabotaged by a several attendees who asked Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk provocative, anti-Israel, racist and homophobic questions, including a question referencing Dancing Israelis. [14]
On the same day, Turning Point USA CCO Benny Johnson tweeted about the trolling questions (shown below, left),[15] with Groypers leader Nicholas J. Fuenters responding on Twitter (shown below, right).[16]
On October 30th, 2019, Twitter user @EdwardBChang made the first tweet referring to this and previous actions taken by Groypers against TPUSA as "Groyper War", with the tweet receiving over 60 retweets and 460 likes.[17] In the following days, more Twitter accounts associated with the movement made tweets referring to Groyper Army's actions against TSUPA as "Groyper War" including tweets by the movement leader Nicholas J. Fuentes.[18][19]
In the following weeks, Groyper Army members employed trolling at more conservative events, including Donald Trump, Jr's event at the University of California, Los Angeles, and Dan Crenshaw's event at the Arizona State University.[10]
Search Interest
External References
[1] Fireden – /v/ thread
[2] Reddit – feel the groyper wojak
[3] Yuki.la – Big Dog Groyper
[4] Twitter – @that_groyper
[5] Twitter – @KeksArmyRises
[6] Twitter – @aussiegroyper
[7] Twitter – @groyperprime
[8] Twitter – @prof_groyper
[9] Twitter – @exiledwizard777
[10] Vox – Why alt-right trolls shouted down Donald Trump Jr.
[11] Medium – What is a Groyper?
[12] Reddit – What's the deal with groypers? Who are they? What is their ideology?
[13] Reddit – @yacks_91's Tweet
[14] YouTube – Culture War LIVE from the Ohio State University featuring Charlie Kirk, Rob Smith and Fleccas!
[15] Twitter – @bennyjohnson's Tweet
[16] Twitter – @NickJFuentes' Tweet
[17] Twitter – @EdwardBChang's Tweet
[18] Twitter – @HarmlessYardDog's Tweet
[19] Twitter – @NickJFuentes' Tweet
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Nick Fuentes, probably still the leader of groypers, is gay.
Nick Fuentes, probably still the leader of groypers, is gay.
Hey groypers.
I got something you can groyp
This dick
Hey groypers.
I got something you can groyp
This dick
Can someone explain who is truely Nick Fuentes?
Is he like some kind of a troll?
Can someone explain who is truely Nick Fuentes?
Is he like some kind of a troll?
One of the greatest trolls.
One of the greatest trolls.
Remove Groyper.
Remove Groyper.
Sooooooo, are they stormfags or not?
Sooooooo, are they stormfags or not?
Idk, same beliefs though
Idk, same beliefs though
Relatively, at any rate. They seem to mix racial ideologies with more tame Conservative positions and valid criticism of current conservative leaders. Probably in a bid to obtain recruits.
Honestly they might be more dangerous if they ever pick up steam.
Relatively, at any rate. They seem to mix racial ideologies with more tame Conservative positions and valid criticism of current conservative leaders. Probably in a bid to obtain recruits.
Honestly they might be more dangerous if they ever pick up steam.
Peak groyper discovered.
These people would propose turning Whites in to their idea of Jews and Arabians in order to "preserve" them. Only a really confused people with a really confused ideology would consider this saving White people.
The war is already over.
Peak groyper discovered.
These people would propose turning Whites in to their idea of Jews and Arabians in order to "preserve" them. Only a really confused people with a really confused ideology would consider this saving White people.
The war is already over.
Controlled op, discredit-by-association.
Nobody actually believes in that shit
Controlled op, discredit-by-association.
Nobody actually believes in that shit
LMAO This is probably not a Groyper, the average Groyper is probably Catholic himself and wouldn’t go against the mandates of the church in that way. This is probably just a weird pagan on the periphery of HBD (Human Bio-Diversity) sperg Twitter.
LMAO This is probably not a Groyper, the average Groyper is probably Catholic himself and wouldn’t go against the mandates of the church in that way. This is probably just a weird pagan on the periphery of HBD (Human Bio-Diversity) sperg Twitter.
"I found one weird post by someone with a name blurred out so you can't check if anyone gives a shit about him. Groypers destroyed!"
Peak discourse.
"I found one weird post by someone with a name blurred out so you can't check if anyone gives a shit about him. Groypers destroyed!"
Peak discourse.
Usually names are blurred out to avoid havibg people go to their profile and yell at them or whatever
Usually names are blurred out to avoid havibg people go to their profile and yell at them or whatever
The concept of race calls for pedigree. I hope you realize that.
Part and parcel of maintaining a desired racial demographic as a certain percentage of the population is making sure that the desired race is in fact that desired race to start with.
I could tell you a couple ways to really ensure one gets good pedigree:
1) Disallow miscegenation.
2) Allow Consanguinous mating.
One of these means invoking the state, and using it as a tool to destroy interpersonal relationships. And in the long run, if its true that this involves Christianity as the other guy claims, it means invoking God as a means to an end and not making Him the end.
The other involves breaches of Christian sexual morality, or taking risks with the health of an entire people.
But heres the real alternative: Be a real Christian, as opposed to using Christianity as a means to achieve the goals of some form of social justice. Drop the pre-occupation with race -- an earnest desire for which ultimately entails justifying brutality on the grounds that some stranger isn't your blood -- and pick up once more objective morality, that urges duty of good will to all humans, because God wills it so.
The concept of race calls for pedigree. I hope you realize that.
Part and parcel of maintaining a desired racial demographic as a certain percentage of the population is making sure that the desired race is in fact that desired race to start with.
I could tell you a couple ways to really ensure one gets good pedigree:
1) Disallow miscegenation.
2) Allow Consanguinous mating.
One of these means invoking the state, and using it as a tool to destroy interpersonal relationships. And in the long run, if its true that this involves Christianity as the other guy claims, it means invoking God as a means to an end and not making Him the end.
The other involves breaches of Christian sexual morality, or taking risks with the health of an entire people.
But heres the real alternative: Be a real Christian, as opposed to using Christianity as a means to achieve the goals of some form of social justice. Drop the pre-occupation with race -- an earnest desire for which ultimately entails justifying brutality on the grounds that some stranger isn't your blood -- and pick up once more objective morality, that urges duty of good will to all humans, because God wills it so.
These dangerouosly insane types need to be locked in mental wards
These dangerouosly insane types need to be locked in mental wards
Imagine caring about a skin color more than health
Imagine caring about a skin color more than health
So, Coomer goes political?
So, Coomer goes political?
You know, there's a fine shade of difference between thinking that mainstream conservative groups are shit and advocating for an ethno-state in one of the most diverse nations on the planet.
These folks claim to be worried about "demographic change, massive foreign spending and foreign wars in the middle east", and that's all well and fine, but they seem just a little too fixated on the Jews for my comfort.
You know, there's a fine shade of difference between thinking that mainstream conservative groups are shit and advocating for an ethno-state in one of the most diverse nations on the planet.
These folks claim to be worried about "demographic change, massive foreign spending and foreign wars in the middle east", and that's all well and fine, but they seem just a little too fixated on the Jews for my comfort.
People are reading the Culture of Critique by Kevin B. MacDonald.
People are reading the Culture of Critique by Kevin B. MacDonald.
"He is a retired professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSULB), best known for writings that propagate a conspiracy theory which characterize Jewish behavior as a group evolutionary strategy.[2] His work has received support from antisemitic and white supremacist groups whose premises and programs he has openly endorsed.[3][4] According to Undark Magazine, MacDonald's work "has been dismissed for decades as anti-Semitic pseudoscience".[5]"
"He is a retired professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSULB), best known for writings that propagate a conspiracy theory which characterize Jewish behavior as a group evolutionary strategy.[2] His work has received support from antisemitic and white supremacist groups whose premises and programs he has openly endorsed.[3][4] According to Undark Magazine, MacDonald's work "has been dismissed for decades as anti-Semitic pseudoscience".[5]"
People are not only reading the Culture of Critique by Kevin B. MacDonald, they're also reading its predecessors in the trilogy "A People That Shall Dwell Alone" and "Separation and its Discontents."
People are not only reading the Culture of Critique by Kevin B. MacDonald, they're also reading its predecessors in the trilogy "A People That Shall Dwell Alone" and "Separation and its Discontents."
Their ideology is such a joke that their main propaganda tool is a virgin green shitposting cartoon frog that doesnt even belong to them. It is almost sad
Their ideology is such a joke that their main propaganda tool is a virgin green shitposting cartoon frog that doesnt even belong to them. It is almost sad
they made pepe even fatter to represent themselves.
they made pepe even fatter to represent themselves.
Ethno-nationalism is stupid in most countries, but I find it especially baffling when people try to apply it in the U.S. It's one of the most ethnically and racially diverse countries in the world, and has been so effectively since its inception. The presence and contributions of racial/ethnic minorities to the broader culture is a defining feature of America, not a threat to it. The only thing really threatening America are the people who are trying to destroy this fundamental aspect of its history and culture in a vain attempt to recreate a version of the country that never existed in the first place.
Ethno-nationalism is stupid in most countries, but I find it especially baffling when people try to apply it in the U.S. It's one of the most ethnically and racially diverse countries in the world, and has been so effectively since its inception. The presence and contributions of racial/ethnic minorities to the broader culture is a defining feature of America, not a threat to it. The only thing really threatening America are the people who are trying to destroy this fundamental aspect of its history and culture in a vain attempt to recreate a version of the country that never existed in the first place.
I think they adhere to the local enclaves model
I think they adhere to the local enclaves model
Also, ever since white people arrived, there was never really a time when America was in any way ethnically homogenous either. Since colonisation, the current landmass of the USA always contained pretty significant numbers of Native, white, black, and hispanic people.
Also, ever since white people arrived, there was never really a time when America was in any way ethnically homogenous either. Since colonisation, the current landmass of the USA always contained pretty significant numbers of Native, white, black, and hispanic people.
From the hit band that brought you the U.S. Constitution:
From the hit band that brought you the U.S. Constitution:
And inaccuracy:
That for Free White Aliens or immigrants. This is talking about the naturalization of foreigners or people who were not already in the land.
People who were in the US at the time of its founding (which preceeded the current US Constitutions), and their descendants were already admitted citizens.
And inaccuracy:
That for Free White Aliens or immigrants. This is talking about the naturalization of foreigners or people who were not already in the land.
People who were in the US at the time of its founding (which preceeded the current US Constitutions), and their descendants were already admitted citizens.
friendly reminder that "white" is a bad blanket term when so many different ethnically diverse cultures exist within it alone that even a country full of nothing but white people would still have a hard-ass time ever being a true ethnostate. Moreover, you forget the immense amount of trouble the writers of the Constitution had with getting the slave-owning states to agree to a word they said if they felt any of it threatened their precious hierarchy, so a great chunk of the racially-charged dialogue (including the Three-Fifths Compromise) was added to the Constitution so that the resulting country wouldn't have a massive chunk of itself cut out because the Southerners were being giant babies. Acting like the United States has a perfect track record with treating people of diverse ethnicity and background is moronic, but don't take two words out of context and declare RASSISM D8< without actually doing some research into real damn history.
friendly reminder that "white" is a bad blanket term when so many different ethnically diverse cultures exist within it alone that even a country full of nothing but white people would still have a hard-ass time ever being a true ethnostate. Moreover, you forget the immense amount of trouble the writers of the Constitution had with getting the slave-owning states to agree to a word they said if they felt any of it threatened their precious hierarchy, so a great chunk of the racially-charged dialogue (including the Three-Fifths Compromise) was added to the Constitution so that the resulting country wouldn't have a massive chunk of itself cut out because the Southerners were being giant babies. Acting like the United States has a perfect track record with treating people of diverse ethnicity and background is moronic, but don't take two words out of context and declare RASSISM D8< without actually doing some research into real damn history.
>Moreover, you forget the immense amount of trouble the writers of the Constitution had with getting the slave-owning states to agree to a word they said if they felt any of it threatened their precious hierarchy, so a great chunk of the racially-charged dialogue (including the Three-Fifths Compromise) was added to the Constitution so that the resulting country wouldn't have a massive chunk of itself cut out because the Southerners were being giant babies
The Southern states were the writers of half the Constitution. They fought half the Revolution, and contributed half the political discourse before and after it. The thing that kept peace between North and South after 1865 was the idea that these two infra-nations would continue to be coequal in the broader Federal Government under the agreement they'd written together in 1789 – minus the slaves, and plus the stipulation of an unambiguously permanent union.
If the modern Hamiltonians (large federal infrastructure, complex economies, urban, Northern) are going to treat the modern Jeffersonians (small gov't, simple economy, rural, Southern) like they aren't even a part of America's history – much less its present – then there is nothing left to keep the continent together except Force.
>Moreover, you forget the immense amount of trouble the writers of the Constitution had with getting the slave-owning states to agree to a word they said if they felt any of it threatened their precious hierarchy, so a great chunk of the racially-charged dialogue (including the Three-Fifths Compromise) was added to the Constitution so that the resulting country wouldn't have a massive chunk of itself cut out because the Southerners were being giant babies
The Southern states were the writers of half the Constitution. They fought half the Revolution, and contributed half the political discourse before and after it. The thing that kept peace between North and South after 1865 was the idea that these two infra-nations would continue to be coequal in the broader Federal Government under the agreement they'd written together in 1789 – minus the slaves, and plus the stipulation of an unambiguously permanent union.
If the modern Hamiltonians (large federal infrastructure, complex economies, urban, Northern) are going to treat the modern Jeffersonians (small gov't, simple economy, rural, Southern) like they aren't even a part of America's history – much less its present – then there is nothing left to keep the continent together except Force.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Emma Lazarus 1883.
GLOWS WORLD WIDE WELCOME
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Emma Lazarus 1883.
GLOWS WORLD WIDE WELCOME
*Became a legally binding federal document when installed on the Statue of Liberty in 1903
Emma Lazarus was a uniquely self-conscious white person, much like Barbara Spectre and Karl Marx.
*Became a legally binding federal document when installed on the Statue of Liberty in 1903
Emma Lazarus was a uniquely self-conscious white person, much like Barbara Spectre and Karl Marx.
it wouldn't have been installed on the most iconic statue in the USA if it didn't express a sentiment that it's leaders and population agree with, especially considering that at the time NY was viewed as a city of opportunity, where anyone could make a name for themselves and was built upon the backs of immigrants
it wouldn't have been installed on the most iconic statue in the USA if it didn't express a sentiment that it's leaders and population agree with, especially considering that at the time NY was viewed as a city of opportunity, where anyone could make a name for themselves and was built upon the backs of immigrants
Interior America has disagreed with New York on that issue and similar from all the way back in the Revolution to all the way up to the present day. NY City Hall, then as now, does not speak for the continent.
Interior America has disagreed with New York on that issue and similar from all the way back in the Revolution to all the way up to the present day. NY City Hall, then as now, does not speak for the continent.
Most of the most prominent people in the USA have been immigrants… Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Terrence Tao, Audrey Hepburn, Stravinsky, Sergey Brin, Madeleine Albright, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar… the list literally goes on for miles. 40% of all american Nobel prizes have been won by immigrants. Even now, in the HEP research group at my uni, my PI gets better applications from people abroad than from natives and they're mostly from places like India and China. You're just blind, or unwilling to realize how much of this country depends on people of all walks of life and races coming together to contribute towards something better
Most of the most prominent people in the USA have been immigrants… Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Terrence Tao, Audrey Hepburn, Stravinsky, Sergey Brin, Madeleine Albright, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar… the list literally goes on for miles. 40% of all american Nobel prizes have been won by immigrants. Even now, in the HEP research group at my uni, my PI gets better applications from people abroad than from natives and they're mostly from places like India and China. You're just blind, or unwilling to realize how much of this country depends on people of all walks of life and races coming together to contribute towards something better
You remember how back in the 1800s, America was mostly mile after mile after mile of empty land waiting to be turned into farms, mines, cities, etc.? That's where the "homeless, tempest-tossed, wretched refuse" came in. Same for every decade where similarly astounding economic growth could be pulled out of our ass, whether that was by putting our whole economy on the roulette table (20s), picking up the slack from every other industrialized country getting the shit bombed out of it (50s), signing our trade regulations, unions, and immortal souls over to the corporate sector (80s), or by outright faking an economy and holding a gun to the rest of the planet's head to keep them pretending it's real (10s). We're out of tricks to pull at this point, and pretending that America can go on with a ponzi scheme of infinite GDP growth to substitute for its utter lack of ties to blood, soil, culture or religion – the things that keep every nation alive long-term – is suicide.
A country that's open to everyone and has no shared value of identity beyond commerce is not a country, it's a shopping mall. A person who has to live 24/7 in a shopping mall is called "homeless."
You remember how back in the 1800s, America was mostly mile after mile after mile of empty land waiting to be turned into farms, mines, cities, etc.? That's where the "homeless, tempest-tossed, wretched refuse" came in. Same for every decade where similarly astounding economic growth could be pulled out of our ass, whether that was by putting our whole economy on the roulette table (20s), picking up the slack from every other industrialized country getting the shit bombed out of it (50s), signing our trade regulations, unions, and immortal souls over to the corporate sector (80s), or by outright faking an economy and holding a gun to the rest of the planet's head to keep them pretending it's real (10s). We're out of tricks to pull at this point, and pretending that America can go on with a ponzi scheme of infinite GDP growth to substitute for its utter lack of ties to blood, soil, culture or religion – the things that keep every nation alive long-term – is suicide.
A country that's open to everyone and has no shared value of identity beyond commerce is not a country, it's a shopping mall. A person who has to live 24/7 in a shopping mall is called "homeless."
Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I only thank whatever powers that be that people like you will never truly hold power and people willing to contribute to this country will always be able to come to it's universities, research centers and buisnesses. You have failed before you've even started
Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I only thank whatever powers that be that people like you will never truly hold power and people willing to contribute to this country will always be able to come to it's universities, research centers and buisnesses. You have failed before you've even started
I don't expect "people like me" to hold power again in America. I expect America to go the same way as every other continental power that's tried this experiment before – Achaemenid Persia, Imperial Rome, Tang China (An Lushan was himself a very talented foreigner), and so on.
"People like me" are, eternally, the ones left to pick up the pieces from people like you.
I don't expect "people like me" to hold power again in America. I expect America to go the same way as every other continental power that's tried this experiment before – Achaemenid Persia, Imperial Rome, Tang China (An Lushan was himself a very talented foreigner), and so on.
"People like me" are, eternally, the ones left to pick up the pieces from people like you.
Hahahahahahahahahaha eternally hahahahahahah. Uneducated, incompetent people like you will achieve nothing with their lives, you can only dream of greatness and cry about your own percieved injustices. Instead of having your own inadequacies gnaw at you, perhaps go do something useful like fluid mechanics research. Oh wait, you probably don't even know what a Laplace transform is
Hahahahahahahahahaha eternally hahahahahahah. Uneducated, incompetent people like you will achieve nothing with their lives, you can only dream of greatness and cry about your own percieved injustices. Instead of having your own inadequacies gnaw at you, perhaps go do something useful like fluid mechanics research. Oh wait, you probably don't even know what a Laplace transform is
The southrons have always been a thorn in the side of the us sonce independance, holding back progress
The southrons have always been a thorn in the side of the us sonce independance, holding back progress
Then why not let them go?
Then why not let them go?
As much as I’d say we should’ve, it’s also true that they would be stealing our land, and morality must be enforced
As much as I’d say we should’ve, it’s also true that they would be stealing our land, and morality must be enforced
He is a meme, not your racist costume
#notmypepe
He is a meme, not your racist costume
#notmypepe
#StopMemeAppropriacion
#StopMemeAppropriacion
Don't know what's happened to KYM politically in the past year or so but now the wide user base is painting people who oppose mass immigration and the infiltration of leftist social policies into the conservative movement as "fascists."
Yeah, fuck white people for not wanting to be demographically disenfranchised in the next few decades because big corporations need a steady stream of workers. They should just roll over and let themselves be replaced, right?
Don't know what's happened to KYM politically in the past year or so but now the wide user base is painting people who oppose mass immigration and the infiltration of leftist social policies into the conservative movement as "fascists."
Yeah, fuck white people for not wanting to be demographically disenfranchised in the next few decades because big corporations need a steady stream of workers. They should just roll over and let themselves be replaced, right?
This thread. No one here looks good. Seriously, everyone makes a good point only to make a horrible one immediately after. Either that or they cannot sympathise at all with people. I don’t care this thread is 5 years old. Threads like these are the reason we have “Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics”
I’ve contacted people who do the research Brad talks about and I can say confidently they would disagree with what he’s saying, and is interpreting their stuff in a way that isn’t healthy. Equality is a moral principle not an empirical claim. Focusing on in group preference that much is not going to be good for anyone when everyone does it. I actually understand where he’s coming from. Honestly, hope the guy found Richard Hanania who went down a similar path but came out of it. Hopefully given Richard delves into the stuff he brought up, he might have.
This thread. No one here looks good. Seriously, everyone makes a good point only to make a horrible one immediately after. Either that or they cannot sympathise at all with people. I don’t care this thread is 5 years old. Threads like these are the reason we have “Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics”
I’ve contacted people who do the research Brad talks about and I can say confidently they would disagree with what he’s saying, and is interpreting their stuff in a way that isn’t healthy. Equality is a moral principle not an empirical claim. Focusing on in group preference that much is not going to be good for anyone when everyone does it. I actually understand where he’s coming from. Honestly, hope the guy found Richard Hanania who went down a similar path but came out of it. Hopefully given Richard delves into the stuff he brought up, he might have.
Reading all these comments
Reading all these comments
> fuck white people for not wanting to be demographically disenfranchised in the next few decades
This, but unironically
> fuck white people for not wanting to be demographically disenfranchised in the next few decades
This, but unironically
Not advocating for what the Alt Righters here are advocating for. But honestly fuck you if you think a Race trying to defend itself is bad.
Not advocating for what the Alt Righters here are advocating for. But honestly fuck you if you think a Race trying to defend itself is bad.
Can't you go be racist somewhere else?
Can't you go be racist somewhere else?
People like you make me glad that Generation Z is overwhelmingly starting to reject your anti-white hatred. This movement proves that more than anything.
People like you make me glad that Generation Z is overwhelmingly starting to reject your anti-white hatred. This movement proves that more than anything.
I don't hate white people.
I don't hate white people.
poochy I'm going to embrace the downboats.
while you may not have an antiwhite bias, i have most certainly seen people who do, including white progressives, in fact noticeably white progressives, i have seen folks of that stripe constantly talk about "whiteness" they have a known outgroup bias and most oddly enough they've tied capitalism to white supremacy. my memory is fuzz but a IS video on conservatism had directly claimed such a thing along with conservatism just being fascism
poochy I'm going to embrace the downboats.
while you may not have an antiwhite bias, i have most certainly seen people who do, including white progressives, in fact noticeably white progressives, i have seen folks of that stripe constantly talk about "whiteness" they have a known outgroup bias and most oddly enough they've tied capitalism to white supremacy. my memory is fuzz but a IS video on conservatism had directly claimed such a thing along with conservatism just being fascism
literally no one here is denying racism exists.
literally no one here is denying racism exists.
I think anti white racism and antisemitism has been an underdiscussed evil in the progressive parties around the world.
literally this is why i think the alt-right exists.
they only need to pass around shite that comes out of the academy like "noel ignatiev" (whom i know from my mandatory critical theory class) and his journal race traitor.
to the random buzzfeed shit
it's an infuriating problem i'm sure you can understand, but it also underlies what i think is the fundamental problem in the progressives in that they ignore human nature
I think anti white racism and antisemitism has been an underdiscussed evil in the progressive parties around the world.
literally this is why i think the alt-right exists.
they only need to pass around shite that comes out of the academy like "noel ignatiev" (whom i know from my mandatory critical theory class) and his journal race traitor.
to the random buzzfeed shit
it's an infuriating problem i'm sure you can understand, but it also underlies what i think is the fundamental problem in the progressives in that they ignore human nature
I agree, the so called “progressives” are often those who think that treating people like shit for their “race” is somehow revenge for shit that happend between different people decades or hundreds of years ago
I agree, the so called “progressives” are often those who think that treating people like shit for their “race” is somehow revenge for shit that happend between different people decades or hundreds of years ago
the alt right exist because a bunch of racists wanted to band together. They are anti-progressive because they don't want equality. They believe they are superior.
the alt right exist because a bunch of racists wanted to band together. They are anti-progressive because they don't want equality. They believe they are superior.
I think that's a poor examination of the beast and i think that radicalization is carried out through the presentation of existential threats.
which is why they often talk about conspiracies to threaten them as a race.
you have presented the idea of stochastic terrorism then you should know this is a key component of it, so on one hand Noel could be seen as engaging that by his statements spreading anti white racism and his actions and the alt-right uses this to further radicalize themselves
you make the mistake that they are fully individuals and you are casting it as a moral failure when I believe it to be a more complex issues of them being shaped by social contact into these roles and it being reinforced social.
i'm starting to wonder if it's a cult really, but a very disorganized and decentralized one
more to the point equality under the law has for all intents and purposes been achieved, in fact there are many special protections under the law for various groups.
I think that's a poor examination of the beast and i think that radicalization is carried out through the presentation of existential threats.
which is why they often talk about conspiracies to threaten them as a race.
you have presented the idea of stochastic terrorism then you should know this is a key component of it, so on one hand Noel could be seen as engaging that by his statements spreading anti white racism and his actions and the alt-right uses this to further radicalize themselves
you make the mistake that they are fully individuals and you are casting it as a moral failure when I believe it to be a more complex issues of them being shaped by social contact into these roles and it being reinforced social.
i'm starting to wonder if it's a cult really, but a very disorganized and decentralized one
more to the point equality under the law has for all intents and purposes been achieved, in fact there are many special protections under the law for various groups.
>you make the mistake that they are fully individuals
Its not a mistake. They are fully individuals.
>you make the mistake that they are fully individuals
Its not a mistake. They are fully individuals.
that's a spook my dude.
they are as a component of a group
their personalities are the product of the environment and experiences they've lived through
that's a spook my dude.
they are as a component of a group
their personalities are the product of the environment and experiences they've lived through
>their personalities are the product of the environment and experiences they've lived through
Those two things are choices individuals make. They choose to hang around racists.
>their personalities are the product of the environment and experiences they've lived through
Those two things are choices individuals make. They choose to hang around racists.
Not always. My mom grew up with some racist, uncaring shitpiles for parents, but she couldn't exactly leave because she was born dirt poor like the rest of her family and would be even more so if she left. She grew up and knew better than to believe every stupid thing they said, but their attitudes still rubbed off on her a bit because she had little choice in the matter. Some people choose to hang out with bad folk because they grew up "knowing" the bad folk were good, or at least good to them. It doesn't make the resulting decisions they make any less their fault, but context is important.
Not always. My mom grew up with some racist, uncaring shitpiles for parents, but she couldn't exactly leave because she was born dirt poor like the rest of her family and would be even more so if she left. She grew up and knew better than to believe every stupid thing they said, but their attitudes still rubbed off on her a bit because she had little choice in the matter. Some people choose to hang out with bad folk because they grew up "knowing" the bad folk were good, or at least good to them. It doesn't make the resulting decisions they make any less their fault, but context is important.
>She grew up and knew better than to believe every stupid thing they said
right.
>She grew up and knew better than to believe every stupid thing they said
right.
No one is trying to replace white people. That’s just you choosing to go with your feelings instead of looking at facts.
No one is trying to replace white people. That’s just you choosing to go with your feelings instead of looking at facts.
I'd disagree with that, actually. In the US at least the Democratic party has a vested interest in shipping in more non-white immigrants, given that they tend to vote Democratic .
It's why the Democratic party were so opposed to cleaning up our border with Mexico and offering amnesty to Illegal aliens already here. Those immigrants may not have been permitted to vote, but their children would be, and they vote Democratic.
I'd disagree with that, actually. In the US at least the Democratic party has a vested interest in shipping in more non-white immigrants, given that they tend to vote Democratic .
It's why the Democratic party were so opposed to cleaning up our border with Mexico and offering amnesty to Illegal aliens already here. Those immigrants may not have been permitted to vote, but their children would be, and they vote Democratic.
facts have a national socialist bias
facts have a national socialist bias
Here's a supposed conservative encouraging immigration to replace the native white population in order to keep the economy going. This is the type of person the groypers go up against. How isn't this replacement?
Here's a supposed conservative encouraging immigration to replace the native white population in order to keep the economy going. This is the type of person the groypers go up against. How isn't this replacement?
First of all he advocates for immigration. At no point does he even imply that whites need to be replaced. Second, the US isn’t the only country in the world with white people. Immigrants can be white. Ever heard of Canada or any country in Europe?
First of all he advocates for immigration. At no point does he even imply that whites need to be replaced. Second, the US isn’t the only country in the world with white people. Immigrants can be white. Ever heard of Canada or any country in Europe?
Yeah, because all the immigrants coming into the US are Canadians and Europeans, right? At any rate, why take in any immigrants at all? Why not look to the causes of the lower birthrates and the aging white population and fix them instead of replacing the native American population with Mexicans, which is a process that's been steadily happening for the last fifty years?
Yeah, because all the immigrants coming into the US are Canadians and Europeans, right? At any rate, why take in any immigrants at all? Why not look to the causes of the lower birthrates and the aging white population and fix them instead of replacing the native American population with Mexicans, which is a process that's been steadily happening for the last fifty years?
By "native american" do you mean white? Cause white people aint native americans my dude.
By "native american" do you mean white? Cause white people aint native americans my dude.
It's tragic that the Native Americans were displaced from their ancestral homelands and driven out by the European conquerors but there's not much that can be done for that anymore. I think they should have their own state. For the past couple hundred years however, yes, whites and African-Americans have primarily been the natives to this country.
It's tragic that the Native Americans were displaced from their ancestral homelands and driven out by the European conquerors but there's not much that can be done for that anymore. I think they should have their own state. For the past couple hundred years however, yes, whites and African-Americans have primarily been the natives to this country.
"Native" Americans aren't native. They came to North America thousands of years ago by crossing the Bering Sea from Russia to Alaska and beyond. Literally any ethnic group that has ever lived on this continent got here by immigrating from somewhere else. The Native Americans did it, the Vikings did it, the Spanish did it, the French did it, the British did it, and after the USA became a thing, everyone else started doing it. The concept of a true "native" American is factually incorrect.
"Native" Americans aren't native. They came to North America thousands of years ago by crossing the Bering Sea from Russia to Alaska and beyond. Literally any ethnic group that has ever lived on this continent got here by immigrating from somewhere else. The Native Americans did it, the Vikings did it, the Spanish did it, the French did it, the British did it, and after the USA became a thing, everyone else started doing it. The concept of a true "native" American is factually incorrect.
Not to mention Homo Sapaians evolved in africa, so in all honesty the only place humans are native to is there
Not to mention Homo Sapaians evolved in africa, so in all honesty the only place humans are native to is there
Homo sapiens evolved out of Africa, and then migrated to different parts of the world and continued adapting to their environment through natural selection. That's where we get different races from.
Homo sapiens evolved out of Africa, and then migrated to different parts of the world and continued adapting to their environment through natural selection. That's where we get different races from.
And?
And?
And being adapted to different environments meant that not only the skin color and bone structure changed, but also the brain, the most physiologically expensive organ in the body. Certain levels of intelligence, personality traits, psychological proclivities became genetically encoded. Cold winters meant that people in the northern regions like North Asians and Europeans had to build permanent structures and devise methods of agriculture and hunting in groups to avoid starvation, which is why they wound up with higher IQs. In aggregate, genetic clusters of these personality traits became cultures.
While it's correct to say all humanity evolved from a common ancestor in eastern Africa, it's a bit like saying that tigers and cats are the same animal because they have a common cat-like ancestor.
And being adapted to different environments meant that not only the skin color and bone structure changed, but also the brain, the most physiologically expensive organ in the body. Certain levels of intelligence, personality traits, psychological proclivities became genetically encoded. Cold winters meant that people in the northern regions like North Asians and Europeans had to build permanent structures and devise methods of agriculture and hunting in groups to avoid starvation, which is why they wound up with higher IQs. In aggregate, genetic clusters of these personality traits became cultures.
While it's correct to say all humanity evolved from a common ancestor in eastern Africa, it's a bit like saying that tigers and cats are the same animal because they have a common cat-like ancestor.
>iq
wow, a test that is effected by upbringing and education reflectis negativly on a group that is worse off in those departments?
whod’ve thunk it?
>tigers and cats
I forgot that tigers and cats could have viable offspring together
jesus christ, if you’re going to go full on racial pseudoscience atleast have an applicable comparison
>iq
wow, a test that is effected by upbringing and education reflectis negativly on a group that is worse off in those departments?
whod’ve thunk it?
>tigers and cats
I forgot that tigers and cats could have viable offspring together
jesus christ, if you’re going to go full on racial pseudoscience atleast have an applicable comparison
It's a difference of extent in explaining how evolution works. A more accurate comparison would be dog breeds that can have offspring together but are very clearly different from one another especially in behavior and intelligence in manners that have nothing to do with upbringing and environment. Not every dog can herd sheep, for instance.
As for IQ, if it's all upbringing and intelligence, then what about adoption and twin studies? Why when raised in different families do children basically wind up with the same IQ and behaviors as their parents? In terms of race, why do the Japanese perform as well and have as low a crime rate in Japan as they do in the United States? Why do Africans perform as poorly and commit as much crime in Africa as they do in the United States as they do in Brazil?
You can do all the mental gymnastics you want but the easy explanation is that certain behaviors and abilities are genetically influenced. You just can't raise and educate a kid to be Einstein.
It's a difference of extent in explaining how evolution works. A more accurate comparison would be dog breeds that can have offspring together but are very clearly different from one another especially in behavior and intelligence in manners that have nothing to do with upbringing and environment. Not every dog can herd sheep, for instance.
As for IQ, if it's all upbringing and intelligence, then what about adoption and twin studies? Why when raised in different families do children basically wind up with the same IQ and behaviors as their parents? In terms of race, why do the Japanese perform as well and have as low a crime rate in Japan as they do in the United States? Why do Africans perform as poorly and commit as much crime in Africa as they do in the United States as they do in Brazil?
You can do all the mental gymnastics you want but the easy explanation is that certain behaviors and abilities are genetically influenced. You just can't raise and educate a kid to be Einstein.
Just read more of your comments, you seem to have no knowledge of the sociopolitical structure of the world
>twins
I never stated that some people aren’t naturally smarter
I stated it does not have a racisl basis
Just read more of your comments, you seem to have no knowledge of the sociopolitical structure of the world
>twins
I never stated that some people aren’t naturally smarter
I stated it does not have a racisl basis
"You can do all the mental gymnastics you want"
You are literally trying to justify your racism with pseudoscience. If that's not mental gymnastics then there's no such thing as mental gymnastics.
"You can do all the mental gymnastics you want"
You are literally trying to justify your racism with pseudoscience. If that's not mental gymnastics then there's no such thing as mental gymnastics.
I love how you just ignore the evidence I gave in the form of IQ studies and twin and adoption studies and so on and you just dismiss them as "pseudoscience." If this shit is racism how come Asians score higher than whites by a factor of 5 IQ points and Ashkenazi Jews score ten points higher? Or that the Indian Brahmin score higher than whites (which is itself evidence of IQ variation due to genetics within a race rather than between)?
Reading this evidence and these scientific studies is what brought me to these beliefs, not the other way around. Believe it or not this is widely accepted within psychological and scientific literature. It just isn't widely publicized because it goes against a certain religion of egalitarianism that has to reject these facts in order to maintain itself. A religion of which you are a part and which causes you to reject evidence in a religious manner.
I love how you just ignore the evidence I gave in the form of IQ studies and twin and adoption studies and so on and you just dismiss them as "pseudoscience." If this shit is racism how come Asians score higher than whites by a factor of 5 IQ points and Ashkenazi Jews score ten points higher? Or that the Indian Brahmin score higher than whites (which is itself evidence of IQ variation due to genetics within a race rather than between)?
Reading this evidence and these scientific studies is what brought me to these beliefs, not the other way around. Believe it or not this is widely accepted within psychological and scientific literature. It just isn't widely publicized because it goes against a certain religion of egalitarianism that has to reject these facts in order to maintain itself. A religion of which you are a part and which causes you to reject evidence in a religious manner.
“widly accepted in scientific literature”
really now?
do you have links to that or are you talking pre ww2?
“widly accepted in scientific literature”
really now?
do you have links to that or are you talking pre ww2?
Here is a study exploring the relationship between cross-national genetic distances and IQ differences. It supports the view that national and ethnic genetic clusters are correlated with IQ, and that IQ is positively correlated with latitude, which is evidence for my theory of harsh winters influencing the evolution of intelligence.
Here is a study examining the average IQs for race, showing it has a heritable basis, and that environmental factors are insufficient in explaining that gap. Lots of other important points addressed there too.
Here is a study examining how genetics is correlated with IQ from adoption studies.
And many others if you do the research yourself. I recommend you read the scientific literature instead of just taking it from me. The totality of the evidence is what changed my mind. Before I encountered this stuff I was a dyed in the wool egalitarian that believed everyone was essentially replaceable.
(Reposting because I screwed up the formatting on one of the links.)
Here is a study exploring the relationship between cross-national genetic distances and IQ differences. It supports the view that national and ethnic genetic clusters are correlated with IQ, and that IQ is positively correlated with latitude, which is evidence for my theory of harsh winters influencing the evolution of intelligence.
Here is a study examining the average IQs for race, showing it has a heritable basis, and that environmental factors are insufficient in explaining that gap. Lots of other important points addressed there too.
Here is a study examining how genetics is correlated with IQ from adoption studies.
And many others if you do the research yourself. I recommend you read the scientific literature instead of just taking it from me. The totality of the evidence is what changed my mind. Before I encountered this stuff I was a dyed in the wool egalitarian that believed everyone was essentially replaceable.
(Reposting because I screwed up the formatting on one of the links.)
Aaand the first one was written by Eugenicists.
Aaand the first one was written by Eugenicists.
Well, the second one you linked is behind a paywall and googling the authors raises some serious concerns:
"Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research,[1] with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda.[2] From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a racist research foundation established in 1937 by white supremacists and eugenicists.[3]"
Well, the second one you linked is behind a paywall and googling the authors raises some serious concerns:
"Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research,[1] with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda.[2] From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a racist research foundation established in 1937 by white supremacists and eugenicists.[3]"
Here's a longer study from the same authors.
Here's a longer study from the same authors.
You're still fucking talking? you're probably not even 80% European genetically and you wanna know what eugenics caused.
Nazis.You're still fucking talking? you're probably not even 80% European genetically and you wanna know what eugenics caused.
Nazis.I've gotten my heritage tested and I happen to know for a fact I'm 100% Northwest European, of German, Swedish, and British extraction. Not that it fucking matters. The smartest ethnic groups are Asians and Ashkenazi Jews so if my beliefs were self-serving wouldn't I really want to be Japanese or Jewish?
Literally none of the studies I've cited advocate for eugenics besides tangential relations to the founders back when eugenics was advocated by most academics. Eugenics also caused Planned Parenthood. Guess we have to dismiss them on those grounds.
I've gotten my heritage tested and I happen to know for a fact I'm 100% Northwest European, of German, Swedish, and British extraction. Not that it fucking matters. The smartest ethnic groups are Asians and Ashkenazi Jews so if my beliefs were self-serving wouldn't I really want to be Japanese or Jewish?
Literally none of the studies I've cited advocate for eugenics besides tangential relations to the founders back when eugenics was advocated by most academics. Eugenics also caused Planned Parenthood. Guess we have to dismiss them on those grounds.
Pics or no dice
Pics or no dice
Don't have it on hand at the moment. It was actually my parents that did 23AndMe. Father's side is British and German and traces back to the American Revolution. His family has always lived in PA, which is where I live. Mother's side is a mix of Swedish and southern.
The genealogical family tree my father's side has kept suggests I'm a descendant of Charlemagne, but that's kind of like Asians being descendants of Genghis Khan, so's everyone else.
Don't have it on hand at the moment. It was actually my parents that did 23AndMe. Father's side is British and German and traces back to the American Revolution. His family has always lived in PA, which is where I live. Mother's side is a mix of Swedish and southern.
The genealogical family tree my father's side has kept suggests I'm a descendant of Charlemagne, but that's kind of like Asians being descendants of Genghis Khan, so's everyone else.
You seem to think that your side’s research is done objectivly and anything else is done with an agenda, have you considered that the opposite it true?
You seem to think that your side’s research is done objectivly and anything else is done with an agenda, have you considered that the opposite it true?
This nigga can't even take a screenshot.
This nigga can't even take a screenshot.
Weird that they don't address the actual scientific content of the article, they just call them mean names and say they should be ignored. Almost like there's an agenda here and things aren't being considered objectively.
If it were the Catholic Church dominating the academy, do you think they'd seriously consider Galileo's hypothesis of a heliocentric galaxy or would they just call him a heretic and tell people to ignore him?
Was afraid there might be some sort of paywall. Using my university's database so I might have different access and privileges. The basics of the article are that IQ among blacks in America is about 80% heritable, "corroborating studies of (e) racial admixture, (f) trans-racial adoption, (g) regression to different racial means, (h) 60 related life-history traits, (i) human origins, and (j) the inadequacy of environmental explanations of the racial IQ difference."
I appreciate you looking at the studies to challenge your preconceptions, however.
Weird that they don't address the actual scientific content of the article, they just call them mean names and say they should be ignored. Almost like there's an agenda here and things aren't being considered objectively.
If it were the Catholic Church dominating the academy, do you think they'd seriously consider Galileo's hypothesis of a heliocentric galaxy or would they just call him a heretic and tell people to ignore him?
Was afraid there might be some sort of paywall. Using my university's database so I might have different access and privileges. The basics of the article are that IQ among blacks in America is about 80% heritable, "corroborating studies of (e) racial admixture, (f) trans-racial adoption, (g) regression to different racial means, (h) 60 related life-history traits, (i) human origins, and (j) the inadequacy of environmental explanations of the racial IQ difference."
I appreciate you looking at the studies to challenge your preconceptions, however.
Actually, fuck it, here's one more nail for the Pioneer Fund coffin:
"The 1937 incorporation documents of the Pioneer Fund list two purposes. The first, modeled on the Nazi Lebensborn breeding program,[15] was aimed at encouraging the propagation of those "descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States and/or from related stocks, or to classes of children, the majority of whom are deemed to be so descended". Its second purpose was to support academic research and the "dissemination of information, into the 'problem of heredity and eugenics'" and "the problems of race betterment"."
Actually, fuck it, here's one more nail for the Pioneer Fund coffin:
"The 1937 incorporation documents of the Pioneer Fund list two purposes. The first, modeled on the Nazi Lebensborn breeding program,[15] was aimed at encouraging the propagation of those "descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States and/or from related stocks, or to classes of children, the majority of whom are deemed to be so descended". Its second purpose was to support academic research and the "dissemination of information, into the 'problem of heredity and eugenics'" and "the problems of race betterment"."
This is exactly the same argument used by the people who complain that Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist so it's a eugenics organization.
Do you have any specific objections to the scientific methodology without citing the opinions of others who tell you that Rushton was an evil bad man who believed bad things?
This is exactly the same argument used by the people who complain that Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist so it's a eugenics organization.
Do you have any specific objections to the scientific methodology without citing the opinions of others who tell you that Rushton was an evil bad man who believed bad things?
Do you have any sources that haven't been torn apart by peer review?
Do you have any sources that haven't been torn apart by peer review?
You act as though peer review can't be influenced by political agendas and personal bias. I'm asking you to consider the content yourself from an objective point of view.
You act as though peer review can't be influenced by political agendas and personal bias. I'm asking you to consider the content yourself from an objective point of view.
My point of view is someone who doesn't have a degree in psychology, biology, etc., nor has the time or inclination to do extensive reading and research on the subject. I'm guessing yours is too. That's half the point of peer review, seeing whether other experts in the same field feel that the data has been collected properly and the analysis made without bias.
You complain that I'm just following along with what someone else told me when you're doing the exact same thing. You're assuming that the paper is correct and unbiased because it made sense to you, conformed to your opinions, and is opposed by people that you assume to be disingenuously discrediting the research for political reasons.
This isn't you being more informed about the subject matter than me, it's you citing anything you can find that makes your argument sound better and me citing anything I can find that makes my argument sound better. Unless you'd like to produce your own, well-researched, peer-reviewed dissertation on the subject?
My point of view is someone who doesn't have a degree in psychology, biology, etc., nor has the time or inclination to do extensive reading and research on the subject. I'm guessing yours is too. That's half the point of peer review, seeing whether other experts in the same field feel that the data has been collected properly and the analysis made without bias.
You complain that I'm just following along with what someone else told me when you're doing the exact same thing. You're assuming that the paper is correct and unbiased because it made sense to you, conformed to your opinions, and is opposed by people that you assume to be disingenuously discrediting the research for political reasons.
This isn't you being more informed about the subject matter than me, it's you citing anything you can find that makes your argument sound better and me citing anything I can find that makes my argument sound better. Unless you'd like to produce your own, well-researched, peer-reviewed dissertation on the subject?
Well, we come down to the heart of the matter with "objective" scientific research. Of course we can both cherry-pick our scientific data but what it comes down to at the end of the day is belief and whether a perspective makes logical sense. As someone who has believed all my life in evolution, I do not think that the brain was spared natural selection when race can be considered to derive from genetic clustering and those genetic influences have an effect on every other part of the body, from susceptibility to certain diseases, bone structure, skin color, and so on.
I've never heard decent arguments to the contrary, which is why I believe what I believe, but if I heard any I'd be happy to change my views because to be honest, this isn't the only website where I get this kind of negative reception. This isn't popular, and I don't get any brownie points for it.
It's good to not assume negative motives of your opponents. We're all trying to get after the truth. I just implore you to be skeptical of what's popular opinion and to look at the data yourself. Question your beliefs, question authority, and so on. I've changed my beliefs so much over the past four years.
Well, we come down to the heart of the matter with "objective" scientific research. Of course we can both cherry-pick our scientific data but what it comes down to at the end of the day is belief and whether a perspective makes logical sense. As someone who has believed all my life in evolution, I do not think that the brain was spared natural selection when race can be considered to derive from genetic clustering and those genetic influences have an effect on every other part of the body, from susceptibility to certain diseases, bone structure, skin color, and so on.
I've never heard decent arguments to the contrary, which is why I believe what I believe, but if I heard any I'd be happy to change my views because to be honest, this isn't the only website where I get this kind of negative reception. This isn't popular, and I don't get any brownie points for it.
It's good to not assume negative motives of your opponents. We're all trying to get after the truth. I just implore you to be skeptical of what's popular opinion and to look at the data yourself. Question your beliefs, question authority, and so on. I've changed my beliefs so much over the past four years.
As have I. Just as you've advised me to question authority and be skeptical of the popular opinion, I'd advise you not to allow your skepticism of the mainstream to blind you to the obvious flaws the niche, minority, and to be frank crackpot individuals that you've latched on to.
As have I. Just as you've advised me to question authority and be skeptical of the popular opinion, I'd advise you not to allow your skepticism of the mainstream to blind you to the obvious flaws the niche, minority, and to be frank crackpot individuals that you've latched on to.
Whether they're crackpots or not does not matter. What matters is whether they speak the truth, and the truth can't be censored or insulted or stigmatized away. I seek the truth, and that's why I'm willing to come here and get called a bigot and hater and racist and Nazi and every other name in the book. If you have arguments, give them, but I can't give less of a shit about personal insults or vague references to "obvious flaws."
Whether they're crackpots or not does not matter. What matters is whether they speak the truth, and the truth can't be censored or insulted or stigmatized away. I seek the truth, and that's why I'm willing to come here and get called a bigot and hater and racist and Nazi and every other name in the book. If you have arguments, give them, but I can't give less of a shit about personal insults or vague references to "obvious flaws."
And to drive the last nail in the coffin on whether Pioneer Fund is a white supremacist organization, three of its five founders were literal Nazi sympathizers, one of whom voiced gleeful support for their laws requiring the sterilization of ethnic minorities.
And to drive the last nail in the coffin on whether Pioneer Fund is a white supremacist organization, three of its five founders were literal Nazi sympathizers, one of whom voiced gleeful support for their laws requiring the sterilization of ethnic minorities.
TL;DR You're not going to convince me with these studies when the vast majority of the scientific community has responded with extensive criticism of the methodology and motives of the authors.
TL;DR You're not going to convince me with these studies when the vast majority of the scientific community has responded with extensive criticism of the methodology and motives of the authors.
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Dobratz, Betty (2000). The White Separatist Movement in the United States. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. p. 95. ISBN 978-0-8018-6537-4.
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"Weird that they don't address the actual scientific content of the article, they just call them mean names and say they should be ignored"
Clearly I should have included the actual sources they're citing for those claims.
Graves, J. L. (2002). "What a tangled web he weaves: Race, reproductive strategies and Rushton's life history theory". Anthropological Theory. 2 (2): 131–154. doi:10.1177/1469962002002002627. ISSN 1463-4996.
Brace, C. Loring (March 1996). "Review: Racialism and Racist Agendas". American Anthropologist. New Series. 98 (1): 176–7. doi:10.1525/aa.1996.98.1.02a00250. JSTOR 682972.
Francisco Gil-White, Resurrecting Racism, Chapter 10
Anderson, Judith L. (1991). "Rushton's racial comparisons: An ecological critique of theory and method". Canadian Psychology. 32 (1): 51–62. doi:10.1037/h0078956. ISSN 1878-7304.
Douglas Wahlsten (2001) Book Review of Race, Evolution and Behavior
Leslie, Charles (2002). New Horizons in Medical Anthropology. New York: Routledge. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-415-27793-8.
"Weird that they don't address the actual scientific content of the article, they just call them mean names and say they should be ignored"
Clearly I should have included the actual sources they're citing for those claims.
Graves, J. L. (2002). "What a tangled web he weaves: Race, reproductive strategies and Rushton's life history theory". Anthropological Theory. 2 (2): 131–154. doi:10.1177/1469962002002002627. ISSN 1463-4996.
Brace, C. Loring (March 1996). "Review: Racialism and Racist Agendas". American Anthropologist. New Series. 98 (1): 176–7. doi:10.1525/aa.1996.98.1.02a00250. JSTOR 682972.
Francisco Gil-White, Resurrecting Racism, Chapter 10
Anderson, Judith L. (1991). "Rushton's racial comparisons: An ecological critique of theory and method". Canadian Psychology. 32 (1): 51–62. doi:10.1037/h0078956. ISSN 1878-7304.
Douglas Wahlsten (2001) Book Review of Race, Evolution and Behavior
Leslie, Charles (2002). New Horizons in Medical Anthropology. New York: Routledge. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-415-27793-8.
Absolutely. Gimme a sec and I'll grab you some scientific journals from a database.
Absolutely. Gimme a sec and I'll grab you some scientific journals from a database.
Indeed. Unless we're gonna switch from the "I was here longer nyah nah na-nah nah" definition of nativism to the "I was born here and you weren't nyah nah na-nah nah" definition of nativism, in which case Mexicans are "native" Americans too, since that country's been around for 183 years, at minimum. And even if we don't, Mexicans are more-or-less descendants of natives anyway, since the Spanish have been gallivanting around this continent since Columbus bumbled his way to the indies over 600 years ago.
Indeed. Unless we're gonna switch from the "I was here longer nyah nah na-nah nah" definition of nativism to the "I was born here and you weren't nyah nah na-nah nah" definition of nativism, in which case Mexicans are "native" Americans too, since that country's been around for 183 years, at minimum. And even if we don't, Mexicans are more-or-less descendants of natives anyway, since the Spanish have been gallivanting around this continent since Columbus bumbled his way to the indies over 600 years ago.
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Puerto Ricans are so determined to enter the U.S. that they're literally BORN there!
Puerto Ricans are so determined to enter the U.S. that they're literally BORN there!
“Why am I called a racist for wanting white people to be the majority”
gee man, idk
“Why am I called a racist for wanting white people to be the majority”
gee man, idk
then maybe instead of being a fat dork that bitches about "muh declining birthrates" maybe you should get out there and make some fucking babies. y'know if you're as much of an aryan chad as you say you are. and if you're not maybe you could help in more productive ways. start a dating site or a matchmaking service, there are tools available.
then maybe instead of being a fat dork that bitches about "muh declining birthrates" maybe you should get out there and make some fucking babies. y'know if you're as much of an aryan chad as you say you are. and if you're not maybe you could help in more productive ways. start a dating site or a matchmaking service, there are tools available.
I think you replied to the wrong guy but if that's directed at me, I have a wife and children. At any rate, the problems that are behind declining birthrates run deeper than whether someone makes a matchmaking website. They have to do with lower wages necessitating that both parents work to support the household and neither can raise the kids, women putting off childbearing in their prime years of fertility in order to pursue careers, and quite frankly the normalization of premarital and casual sex making it so people don't care for getting married and having sex for reproductive purposes.
I think you replied to the wrong guy but if that's directed at me, I have a wife and children. At any rate, the problems that are behind declining birthrates run deeper than whether someone makes a matchmaking website. They have to do with lower wages necessitating that both parents work to support the household and neither can raise the kids, women putting off childbearing in their prime years of fertility in order to pursue careers, and quite frankly the normalization of premarital and casual sex making it so people don't care for getting married and having sex for reproductive purposes.
actually I couldn't read your comments when i posted this. they were buried and wouldn't let me unbury them. I was more reacting to nick fuentes' whole spiel in general
I understand wanting a hot young thang, but miss right here isn't going to be someone you form a strong family with. scientifically speaking it takes about 7-10 years to fully know another person. weak families create weak societies when the government, the schools and the police state fills in the cracks.
also hookup culture is trash but it doesn't stop other races from reproducing at or above replacement levels. and news flash: no sex before marriage does not mean fewer babies. it just means more single mothers and a big fat child support bill for daddy
the tradlife is a double edged sword. if you choose to live by it good for you
actually I couldn't read your comments when i posted this. they were buried and wouldn't let me unbury them. I was more reacting to nick fuentes' whole spiel in general
I understand wanting a hot young thang, but miss right here isn't going to be someone you form a strong family with. scientifically speaking it takes about 7-10 years to fully know another person. weak families create weak societies when the government, the schools and the police state fills in the cracks.
also hookup culture is trash but it doesn't stop other races from reproducing at or above replacement levels. and news flash: no sex before marriage does not mean fewer babies. it just means more single mothers and a big fat child support bill for daddy
the tradlife is a double edged sword. if you choose to live by it good for you
“I have a wife and kids”
sure ya do pal
and I’m the mayor of a major city
“I have a wife and kids”
sure ya do pal
and I’m the mayor of a major city
It probably says more about you than me that finding a wife is considered as Herculean a task as becoming mayor.
It probably says more about you than me that finding a wife is considered as Herculean a task as becoming mayor.
I don’t think getting married is a big deal, I simply don’t believe it would be easy for a basement dweller like yourself
I don’t think getting married is a big deal, I simply don’t believe it would be easy for a basement dweller like yourself
"Ur virgin. Ur basement dweller." Real mature level of conversation here.
"Ur virgin. Ur basement dweller." Real mature level of conversation here.
It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness that you say we’re acting in a religious way, yet you have yet to give any evidense to your claims
It shows a hilarious lack of self awareness that you say we’re acting in a religious way, yet you have yet to give any evidense to your claims
I’m not caling you a virgin, i niether know no care, I’m stating that I can’t really see you having the maturity to handle an actual relationship given your adherance to antiquated notions of “”“scientific”“” racism
I’m not caling you a virgin, i niether know no care, I’m stating that I can’t really see you having the maturity to handle an actual relationship given your adherance to antiquated notions of “”“scientific”“” racism
Funny of you to conflate "fascist" and "racist" like that. I said groypers were being called fascists, not racists.
At any rate, I was under the impression that I needed to hate some other race to be a racist. Yes, I don't want white people to become minorities within their countries because being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people. Look at the Boers in South Africa or the Uighur Muslims in China or the Jewish people anywhere.
Funny of you to conflate "fascist" and "racist" like that. I said groypers were being called fascists, not racists.
At any rate, I was under the impression that I needed to hate some other race to be a racist. Yes, I don't want white people to become minorities within their countries because being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people. Look at the Boers in South Africa or the Uighur Muslims in China or the Jewish people anywhere.
"Funny of you to conflate "fascist" and "racist" like that."
Why not? Not every fascist was a racist (Italians, for example). But racists generally are (in the long run, if they are really interested in the desires of their heart coming true as policy and governance) fascist.
"Yes, I don't want white people to become minorities within their countries because being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people."
This isn't about the White people. The fact that there is concern over the idea of minority or majority populations of races at all is part of the problem, if not the heart of it. Stability and peace among all is brought by objective moral values, which bears a duty of benevolence and justice to every human, not by belly aching over which race is over or under 50% of a population.
If you really thought that all people from all races were equally intellectually and morally capable, then you'd realize that race is arbitrary and being a minority or majority should actually mean nothing for you or the country. And then, you wouldn't fear it at all.
By the way, a significant number of the border security officers are latino.
Its a spook. This country isn't going to fundamentally changing any time soon for anyone, just because some odd race happens to be a majority or minority.
You're just psychologically punishing yourself.
"Funny of you to conflate "fascist" and "racist" like that."
Why not? Not every fascist was a racist (Italians, for example). But racists generally are (in the long run, if they are really interested in the desires of their heart coming true as policy and governance) fascist.
"Yes, I don't want white people to become minorities within their countries because being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people."
This isn't about the White people. The fact that there is concern over the idea of minority or majority populations of races at all is part of the problem, if not the heart of it. Stability and peace among all is brought by objective moral values, which bears a duty of benevolence and justice to every human, not by belly aching over which race is over or under 50% of a population.
If you really thought that all people from all races were equally intellectually and morally capable, then you'd realize that race is arbitrary and being a minority or majority should actually mean nothing for you or the country. And then, you wouldn't fear it at all.
By the way, a significant number of the border security officers are latino.
Its a spook. This country isn't going to fundamentally changing any time soon for anyone, just because some odd race happens to be a majority or minority.
You're just psychologically punishing yourself.
Or, I don’t know, maybe promote racial equality instead?
Or, I don’t know, maybe promote racial equality instead?
Because it's never worked, mainly because different races have never viewed each other as equal and the very notion of such a thing is a fantasy?
Because it's never worked, mainly because different races have never viewed each other as equal and the very notion of such a thing is a fantasy?
False, racial equality doesn’t happen because of you and your ilk refusing to embrace it
False, racial equality doesn’t happen because of you and your ilk refusing to embrace it
When you say me and my ilk do you include the Mexicans who consider themselves part of an ethnic group and advocate for La Raza? Do you include the African-Americans who have a strong in-group identity, distinct culture and history, and seek to maintain that identity? Or the Jewish people who celebrate their culture and ethnicity and consider themselves part of a global community with the rest of the Jewish diaspora? Or is it just those nasty white people who are impeding racial progress with their desire not to be wiped out?
When you say me and my ilk do you include the Mexicans who consider themselves part of an ethnic group and advocate for La Raza? Do you include the African-Americans who have a strong in-group identity, distinct culture and history, and seek to maintain that identity? Or the Jewish people who celebrate their culture and ethnicity and consider themselves part of a global community with the rest of the Jewish diaspora? Or is it just those nasty white people who are impeding racial progress with their desire not to be wiped out?
Would you care if a country that has a primarily black population had a major influx of white immigrants causing there to be a major demographic shift?
Would you care if a country that has a primarily black population had a major influx of white immigrants causing there to be a major demographic shift?
Yes, absolutely. I think every nation has a unique culture that should be preserved, and that the culture comes from the people.
Yes, absolutely. I think every nation has a unique culture that should be preserved, and that the culture comes from the people.
Culture should only be preserved in museums
culture naturally mixes and evolves
Culture should only be preserved in museums
culture naturally mixes and evolves
Yes I do include them, anyone of any race who advocates for segragation or superiority is holding back civil rights
Yes I do include them, anyone of any race who advocates for segragation or superiority is holding back civil rights
> being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people. Look at the Boers in South Africa or the Uighur Muslims in China or the Jewish people anywhere.
Being a hated minority worked out marvelously for the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Sunni in Iraq, the Alawite in Syria, the Tutsi in Rwanda, etc. How well it goes for the group doesn't depend on their numbers overall, just their numbers in the halls of power.
> being a hated minority in a country never goes well for any people. Look at the Boers in South Africa or the Uighur Muslims in China or the Jewish people anywhere.
Being a hated minority worked out marvelously for the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Sunni in Iraq, the Alawite in Syria, the Tutsi in Rwanda, etc. How well it goes for the group doesn't depend on their numbers overall, just their numbers in the halls of power.
>Being a hated minority worked out marvelously for the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Sunni in Iraq, the Alawite in Syria, the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
>Being a hated minority worked out marvelously for the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Sunni in Iraq, the Alawite in Syria, the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
>the Tutsi in Rwanda
As with every regime ever in humanity, they fell out of power. Falling out of power doesn't mean that they never had power. I was making a counter-point to the claim that being a minority population means being powerless.
As with every regime ever in humanity, they fell out of power. Falling out of power doesn't mean that they never had power. I was making a counter-point to the claim that being a minority population means being powerless.
I am trying to absolutely wrap my mind around your stance of "Whites should aspire to be like the Rwandan Tutsis c.1993"
I am trying to absolutely wrap my mind around your stance of "Whites should aspire to be like the Rwandan Tutsis c.1993"
Yeah, that's not my stance. As I said above, the point I'm making is that minority populations can have a majority of power. You're reading quite a bit past that.
Yeah, that's not my stance. As I said above, the point I'm making is that minority populations can have a majority of power. You're reading quite a bit past that.
And my point is that no sane human being should want to live in a situation where barbed wire and the local cop's pension is the only thing between them and the metaphorical machetes – and that's just your first four examples. You literally cited the Rwandan Tutsis in a post meant to put down concerns over white demographic decline – and as far as I can tell, what you're implying is that the Tutsis were enjoying the benefits of unearned institutional power and privilege even as the less-privileged Hutus were hacking, immolating, and raping them to death, and therefore had no cause to complain about their situation.
You're backed up by the thread, the universities, the media, by almost every government of every historically "white" country on Earth, and by most of the global corporate sector.
Some of us have a good six or seven decades left on the clock to deal with this world you're making. Some of us want a home, anywhere, to spend our lives in and to give to a next generation. Some of us have no place at all promised to us in the new order. Some of us are angry.
And my point is that no sane human being should want to live in a situation where barbed wire and the local cop's pension is the only thing between them and the metaphorical machetes – and that's just your first four examples. You literally cited the Rwandan Tutsis in a post meant to put down concerns over white demographic decline – and as far as I can tell, what you're implying is that the Tutsis were enjoying the benefits of unearned institutional power and privilege even as the less-privileged Hutus were hacking, immolating, and raping them to death, and therefore had no cause to complain about their situation.
You're backed up by the thread, the universities, the media, by almost every government of every historically "white" country on Earth, and by most of the global corporate sector.
Some of us have a good six or seven decades left on the clock to deal with this world you're making. Some of us want a home, anywhere, to spend our lives in and to give to a next generation. Some of us have no place at all promised to us in the new order. Some of us are angry.
> You literally cited the Rwandan Tutsis in a post meant to put down concerns over white demographic decline
No, I did not. For what, the third? Fourth time? It was claimed that minority populations are always oppressed. I cited minority populations that were not oppressed as refutation of that statement. Why must you infer that I'm saying more than just that?
> You literally cited the Rwandan Tutsis in a post meant to put down concerns over white demographic decline
No, I did not. For what, the third? Fourth time? It was claimed that minority populations are always oppressed. I cited minority populations that were not oppressed as refutation of that statement. Why must you infer that I'm saying more than just that?
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What happened to them before that? They were a minority who lived like kings. Yes it ended, but everything did. You going to claim that the Romans were oppressed because they were eventually slaughtered?
At any rate you don't seem to mind the Afrikaners as an example, so go for that instead.
What happened to them before that? They were a minority who lived like kings. Yes it ended, but everything did. You going to claim that the Romans were oppressed because they were eventually slaughtered?
At any rate you don't seem to mind the Afrikaners as an example, so go for that instead.
To clarify, it's valid to say that minority status does not guarantee oppression. That's not the point I'm arguing. I'm arguing that people of any ethnicity have the right to be worried about being made a minority, and that your counter-argument of "being a hated minority worked out marvelously for […] the Tutsi in Rwanda" as a way of reassuring that "[X ethnicity] shouldn't worry about demographic replacement" is disingenuous enough to beggar Orwell's belief.
Citing the Afrikaners for your example is no goddamn better, because it doesn't matter if white South Africans have a similar gdp/capita or median household income to white Americans – "First World" South Africa is a nightmare now, and as giddy as you are about the Tutsi's fate, you cannot rule out something similar happening to them in the coming decade/s after Expropriation passes… I hope you, personally, will help bring Machete Justice to Orania.
"Accept your role as a powerful minority" + "Powerful minorities get the genocide they deserve" is a declaration of war. Geographic segregation and secession is the only moral outcome for a multiracial empire.
To clarify, it's valid to say that minority status does not guarantee oppression. That's not the point I'm arguing. I'm arguing that people of any ethnicity have the right to be worried about being made a minority, and that your counter-argument of "being a hated minority worked out marvelously for […] the Tutsi in Rwanda" as a way of reassuring that "[X ethnicity] shouldn't worry about demographic replacement" is disingenuous enough to beggar Orwell's belief.
Citing the Afrikaners for your example is no goddamn better, because it doesn't matter if white South Africans have a similar gdp/capita or median household income to white Americans – "First World" South Africa is a nightmare now, and as giddy as you are about the Tutsi's fate, you cannot rule out something similar happening to them in the coming decade/s after Expropriation passes… I hope you, personally, will help bring Machete Justice to Orania.
"Accept your role as a powerful minority" + "Powerful minorities get the genocide they deserve" is a declaration of war. Geographic segregation and secession is the only moral outcome for a multiracial empire.
Don’t really think that’s the point panuru is making
Don’t really think that’s the point panuru is making
a lot of those states aren't liberal republics to my knowledge
it might be fascinating to watch, thankfully as a republic it is protected against the tyranny of the majority but i could only imagine what a galvanized anitwhite voting population would be like.
now i presume it would be like SA and you'd have them preying on the weak populations extra ludicrously and extra legally, with local law enforcement ignoring it. actually sort of like the kkk in the south.
then you'd get race riots like the last 300 years
actually yeah it'd just be back to those old days without white majority.
thankfully i'm not white, i'm half so i'll get a tan, i'll not have to deal with any of that completely hypothetical scenario, were it to come to pass anyway.
and none of this matters compared to the absolute shit show with the boomers have left us anyway
a lot of those states aren't liberal republics to my knowledge
it might be fascinating to watch, thankfully as a republic it is protected against the tyranny of the majority but i could only imagine what a galvanized anitwhite voting population would be like.
now i presume it would be like SA and you'd have them preying on the weak populations extra ludicrously and extra legally, with local law enforcement ignoring it. actually sort of like the kkk in the south.
then you'd get race riots like the last 300 years
actually yeah it'd just be back to those old days without white majority.
thankfully i'm not white, i'm half so i'll get a tan, i'll not have to deal with any of that completely hypothetical scenario, were it to come to pass anyway.
and none of this matters compared to the absolute shit show with the boomers have left us anyway
turning point: "those questions were the work of left-wing trolls"
alt-right:
turning point: "those questions were the work of left-wing trolls"
alt-right:
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Yeah, makes sense.
"Related Entries: 12 total"
Yeah, makes sense.
Lmao, this should be fun to watch.
Lmao, this should be fun to watch.
Groypers, a curious breed
The only winning action is to not interact
Groypers, a curious breed
The only winning action is to not interact
No, the real winning move is to smash them with the facts, and ignore any wish on their part for simplicity.
No, the real winning move is to smash them with the facts, and ignore any wish on their part for simplicity.
It has been amusing watching libertarians getting their ass kicked. And then resorting to slander to try and ignore genuine concerns from people.
It has been amusing watching libertarians getting their ass kicked. And then resorting to slander to try and ignore genuine concerns from people.
"And then resorting to slander to try and ignore genuine concerns from people."
if by people you mean bootleg nazis then sure…
"And then resorting to slander to try and ignore genuine concerns from people."
if by people you mean bootleg nazis then sure…
Am I a nazi if I want a good future for my children where they don’t have to compete against the rest of the world for a job?
Am I a nazi if I want a good future for my children where they don’t have to compete against the rest of the world for a job?
At everyone elses expense? A little yeah
At everyone elses expense? A little yeah
So I am a nazi, somehow, for wanting the AMERICAN government, to put the american worker first so that the american family can grow?
Are you serious right now?
Is muh gdp really so important that I can't even protest that corporations are replacing americans with cheaper labor, thereby depressing wages, outsourcing jobs, and leading to suicide?!
So I am a nazi, somehow, for wanting the AMERICAN government, to put the american worker first so that the american family can grow?
Are you serious right now?
Is muh gdp really so important that I can't even protest that corporations are replacing americans with cheaper labor, thereby depressing wages, outsourcing jobs, and leading to suicide?!
groypers are combining a semi legitimate points with creating a white ethnostate, so is not even about that and you know it
groypers are combining a semi legitimate points with creating a white ethnostate, so is not even about that and you know it
“Semi legitimate” ok Ben Shapiro.
They are pointing out the fact that neo-cons will defend Israel being a ethnostate who built a wall, and strictly controls who they let in, why can we not do the same?
Especially with how much multiculturalism has failed, in the least making everyone less trusting. And that’s not me blowing that out of my ass, Harvard found that diversity lowers communal trust.
“Semi legitimate” ok Ben Shapiro.
They are pointing out the fact that neo-cons will defend Israel being a ethnostate who built a wall, and strictly controls who they let in, why can we not do the same?
Especially with how much multiculturalism has failed, in the least making everyone less trusting. And that’s not me blowing that out of my ass, Harvard found that diversity lowers communal trust.
oh yeah because I am sure everyone will be so much more trusting and wholesome in an ethnostate…like that IS how nazis started, it is a fucking slipery slope
oh yeah because I am sure everyone will be so much more trusting and wholesome in an ethnostate…like that IS how nazis started, it is a fucking slipery slope
We just want what Israel is allowed to have, border walls and the ability to control who is allowed in.
Americans have the right to have something to pass on to their children, not just be replaced by the turd world.
We just want what Israel is allowed to have, border walls and the ability to control who is allowed in.
Americans have the right to have something to pass on to their children, not just be replaced by the turd world.
Who are these libertarians, and what do they want that is in conformity to the desire to reduce government involvement in the name of personal and human freedom?
Who are these libertarians, and what do they want that is in conformity to the desire to reduce government involvement in the name of personal and human freedom?
The Conservative establishment, namely Ben Shapiro and his crowd. The types who think America is no more than a economic block.
Because people have a valid concern about the fact that we let in a million legal immigrants a year. It suppresses wages, floods the labor market, and discriminates against american workers who ask for higher wages than their foreign counter parts.
Free market capitalism is destroying the american family, men can't find good jobs to create a family with, women are encouraged and sometimes required to join the workforce, so the family isn't being made, etc etc.
I'd honestly side with Tucker Carlson on the American family coming before the economy. That the continued ceding of the culture to the left, I don't believe people should have the "personal freedom" to castrate their children just because they have Munchausen"s Syndrome by Proxy.
The Conservative establishment, namely Ben Shapiro and his crowd. The types who think America is no more than a economic block.
Because people have a valid concern about the fact that we let in a million legal immigrants a year. It suppresses wages, floods the labor market, and discriminates against american workers who ask for higher wages than their foreign counter parts.
Free market capitalism is destroying the american family, men can't find good jobs to create a family with, women are encouraged and sometimes required to join the workforce, so the family isn't being made, etc etc.
I'd honestly side with Tucker Carlson on the American family coming before the economy. That the continued ceding of the culture to the left, I don't believe people should have the "personal freedom" to castrate their children just because they have Munchausen"s Syndrome by Proxy.
"which are commonly used as profile avatars among the alt-right and new right on Twitter and the alternative social networking service WrongThink."
What lol I've always seen this Pepe being smug and making fun of NEETs
"which are commonly used as profile avatars among the alt-right and new right on Twitter and the alternative social networking service WrongThink."
What lol I've always seen this Pepe being smug and making fun of NEETs
At least old fascists had taste. I can’t imagine anyone using that groyper frog as a symbol
At least old fascists had taste. I can’t imagine anyone using that groyper frog as a symbol
I wouldn't think people would choose as their avatar something this strongly resembling Jabba the Hutt.
I wouldn't think people would choose as their avatar something this strongly resembling Jabba the Hutt.
…So it's alt-right morons being alt-right morons again?
…So it's alt-right morons being alt-right morons again?
Who the heck is this Nick Fuentes guy and why does him and his follwers sound like a gigantic ass?
Who the heck is this Nick Fuentes guy and why does him and his follwers sound like a gigantic ass?
I always thought this was just smug pepe.
I always thought this was just smug pepe.
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"cuckservatism hasn't conserved anything"
If you've been on //pol/ you may have heard this said at least once
"cuckservatism hasn't conserved anything"
If you've been on //pol/ you may have heard this said at least once
i haven't but i presume "cuckservatism"
refers to "Sherpaconservatism" where you are a progressive driving the speed limit
i haven't but i presume "cuckservatism"
refers to "Sherpaconservatism" where you are a progressive driving the speed limit
Sadly it doesn't, pushing establishment conservatives has shown that they are "economy over everything." and socially liberal.
Sadly it doesn't, pushing establishment conservatives has shown that they are "economy over everything." and socially liberal.
Don't groyp me, bro!
Don't groyp me, bro!
Man i remember running into nick's videos on youtube once (literally ONCE).
i don't know how anyone can look at him and not think anti-Semite boomer
Man i remember running into nick's videos on youtube once (literally ONCE).
i don't know how anyone can look at him and not think anti-Semite boomer
he probably doesn't get thought of as a boomer since he looks permanently 14 years old
he probably doesn't get thought of as a boomer since he looks permanently 14 years old
I just learned the name of this meme today thanks to http://stonetoss.com/comic/spooked/
I just learned the name of this meme today thanks to http://stonetoss.com/comic/spooked/
>stonetoss
>stonetoss
The best thing about stonetoss is that all the people who hate him have to admit he knows what he's doing even if it's too spicy.
The best thing about stonetoss is that all the people who hate him have to admit he knows what he's doing even if it's too spicy.
>he knows what he's doing
If you mean he knows he's spreading anti-semitic and racist propaganda using webcomics, then sure, it's not hard to "admit" that. It's not like people think that's something he did by mistake.
>he knows what he's doing
If you mean he knows he's spreading anti-semitic and racist propaganda using webcomics, then sure, it's not hard to "admit" that. It's not like people think that's something he did by mistake.
"Too Spicy"
The dude is an actual Nazi and also an idiot.
"Too Spicy"
The dude is an actual Nazi and also an idiot.
Can you give me a example to back up either of those claims? Because I mean in a world where Ben Shapiro of all people is a Nazi, it’s as useless a word as “racist.”
Can you give me a example to back up either of those claims? Because I mean in a world where Ben Shapiro of all people is a Nazi, it’s as useless a word as “racist.”
A: is it not true that a good number of ethnic Jews hold positions high up? I’m not even saying good or bad, because Jews like Asians have a healthy familial responsibility on making sure their children do well.
B: he’s acknowledging the Holocaust happened, just that details are stretched, like how communists try to say that the 100 million death toll attributed to them is false. Especially with how much power such events hold over us. Like 9/11 and the massive spying apparatus it spawned.
C: everyone is a individual so group IQ rates do not carry too much weight, that does not stop the reality of science, as much as people claim it to be racist.
None of these definitively point to him being a actual Nazi tho.
A: is it not true that a good number of ethnic Jews hold positions high up? I’m not even saying good or bad, because Jews like Asians have a healthy familial responsibility on making sure their children do well.
B: he’s acknowledging the Holocaust happened, just that details are stretched, like how communists try to say that the 100 million death toll attributed to them is false. Especially with how much power such events hold over us. Like 9/11 and the massive spying apparatus it spawned.
C: everyone is a individual so group IQ rates do not carry too much weight, that does not stop the reality of science, as much as people claim it to be racist.
None of these definitively point to him being a actual Nazi tho.
>he’s acknowledging the Holocaust happened
No, he is denying it happened, and suggesting the minorities died from natural causes of war, rather than killed.
>None of these definitively point to him being a actual Nazi tho.
you are missing the forest for the trees. No one tree makes a forest, its the combination of many of them that do.
>he’s acknowledging the Holocaust happened
No, he is denying it happened, and suggesting the minorities died from natural causes of war, rather than killed.
>None of these definitively point to him being a actual Nazi tho.
you are missing the forest for the trees. No one tree makes a forest, its the combination of many of them that do.
But still, debating how and how many died in the Holocaust does not make one a nazi. I’ve said it before, we live in a world where Ben shapiro of all people gets called a nazi, or count dankula for that matter, he gets called a fascist for simply being a free speech absolutist. Making every edgy jokes does not make one a nazi.
But still, debating how and how many died in the Holocaust does not make one a nazi. I’ve said it before, we live in a world where Ben shapiro of all people gets called a nazi, or count dankula for that matter, he gets called a fascist for simply being a free speech absolutist. Making every edgy jokes does not make one a nazi.
Ok, here's the one damning evidence for why Stonetoss is a nazi (or if you really, REALLY want to split hairs, a nazi sympathizer at the least)
Ok, here's the one damning evidence for why Stonetoss is a nazi (or if you really, REALLY want to split hairs, a nazi sympathizer at the least)
He's right, in a world where Ben Shapiro, Ben fucking Shapiro is a nazi, "nazi" and "racist" are simply used to slander opponents and to stifle debate.
He's right, in a world where Ben Shapiro, Ben fucking Shapiro is a nazi, "nazi" and "racist" are simply used to slander opponents and to stifle debate.
Read the tweet again. He's not saying to question if the person really is a nazi, like you're saying, he's saying to question why being a nazi is a bad thing to begin with
Read the tweet again. He's not saying to question if the person really is a nazi, like you're saying, he's saying to question why being a nazi is a bad thing to begin with
And again, calling people "nazi" is a communist tactic dating back to the 1950's to stifle one's opponents. I don't care what progressives claim is racist.
And again, calling people "nazi" is a communist tactic dating back to the 1950's to stifle one's opponents. I don't care what progressives claim is racist.
Well there is that joke meme: “I may be a pedophile but at least I’m not a nazi.” As if somehow racism is the greatest evil of mankind.
Well there is that joke meme: “I may be a pedophile but at least I’m not a nazi.” As if somehow racism is the greatest evil of mankind.
>As if somehow racism is the greatest evil of mankind
>As if somehow racism is the greatest evil of mankind
And communism killed 100 million, more than hitler could ever dream.
And communism killed 100 million, more than hitler could ever dream.
Yeah, they're both bad. Your point?
Yeah, they're both bad. Your point?
>debating how and how many died in the Holocaust
Thats not what he is doing. he is denying it happened, and suggesting the minorities died from natural causes of war, rather than killed. That, at the very least, makes you a Nazi sympathizer.
>debating how and how many died in the Holocaust
Thats not what he is doing. he is denying it happened, and suggesting the minorities died from natural causes of war, rather than killed. That, at the very least, makes you a Nazi sympathizer.
So, people, who were political prisoners of the germans, still died due to the actions of the germans. That doesn't change reality.
People died on the way to communist gulags in Siberia, that doesn't mean the action of the soviets didn't kill them.
A good point I saw on facebook was this: "He knew it was one of the most controversial questions you can ask. And trying to claim he's a nazi from incredibly subtle shades of nuance in the precise wording of a single panel of webcomics, so I think the point has some validity. It's like you are expecting a perfectly precise scholarly treatise on the exact breakdown of causes of death in the holocaust in a single speech bubble and when it's not present, you detect the whiff of nazi's."
So, people, who were political prisoners of the germans, still died due to the actions of the germans. That doesn't change reality.
People died on the way to communist gulags in Siberia, that doesn't mean the action of the soviets didn't kill them.
A good point I saw on facebook was this: "He knew it was one of the most controversial questions you can ask. And trying to claim he's a nazi from incredibly subtle shades of nuance in the precise wording of a single panel of webcomics, so I think the point has some validity. It's like you are expecting a perfectly precise scholarly treatise on the exact breakdown of causes of death in the holocaust in a single speech bubble and when it's not present, you detect the whiff of nazi's."
>questions you can ask.
No one here asked a question
>questions you can ask.
No one here asked a question
And actually, with that first comic, that’s more of a comment on the fact that Jews and Europeans are two separate races, so the charge of “white privilege” is unfounded. Especially in reality when Asians, Indians, and Jews all earn more than white people in America.
And actually, with that first comic, that’s more of a comment on the fact that Jews and Europeans are two separate races, so the charge of “white privilege” is unfounded. Especially in reality when Asians, Indians, and Jews all earn more than white people in America.
How's that hole you dug, by the way?
How's that hole you dug, by the way?
Well since I don’t put much stock in what anonymous people online think about me, not bad.
Stonetoss makes edgy jokes, so does any comedian worth his salt.
Well since I don’t put much stock in what anonymous people online think about me, not bad.
Stonetoss makes edgy jokes, so does any comedian worth his salt.
It’s a quote. From facebook.
It’s a quote. From facebook.
look i'm just not even gonna beat around the bush here anymore
fuck off nazi bootlicker
look i'm just not even gonna beat around the bush here anymore
fuck off nazi bootlicker
Lol, who cares what you think.
Especially since I would never be a socialist.
Lol, who cares what you think.
Especially since I would never be a socialist.
I think this just perfectly illustrates how far gone you are. It's pathetic really.
I think this just perfectly illustrates how far gone you are. It's pathetic really.
The overton window has shifted quite far in the just 5 years.
The overton window has shifted quite far in the just 5 years.
He doesn’t though
I think there’s been one time i laughed at his comics
He doesn’t though
I think there’s been one time i laughed at his comics
Well that’s still one more instance of amusement than Assigned Male.
Well that’s still one more instance of amusement than Assigned Male.
He’s what Matt Bors wishes he was.
He’s what Matt Bors wishes he was.
That’s subjective. He’s got good timing and understands how to keep things short and concise.
That’s subjective. He’s got good timing and understands how to keep things short and concise.
>he knows the basics of webcomics
thats not like…a lot
>he knows the basics of webcomics
thats not like…a lot
Well please explain them to all the people at The Nib, those are some lefties who really don’t know how to meme.
Well please explain them to all the people at The Nib, those are some lefties who really don’t know how to meme.
It's Easter Toad, not gr*yper.
It's Easter Toad, not gr*yper.
DELET THIS
DELET THIS
Please change it already to Easter Frog, since Easter is coming close.
fuck groyper
Please change it already to Easter Frog, since Easter is coming close.
fuck groyper
If any of you entry editing dudes want to clean this up and expand upon it, there's a thread on /int/ right now talking about this meme, this site, and the history about it and shit (I know it won't stay up, but it'll probably be archived somewhere). They're talking about reclaiming it from the alt-right, and that it was originally called Easter Toad (a blank, deadpooled entry, but months older than this one). They're posting archive links about the history of this, so if anyone wants to go through it and rewrite this, please do.
If any of you entry editing dudes want to clean this up and expand upon it, there's a thread on /int/ right now talking about this meme, this site, and the history about it and shit (I know it won't stay up, but it'll probably be archived somewhere). They're talking about reclaiming it from the alt-right, and that it was originally called Easter Toad (a blank, deadpooled entry, but months older than this one). They're posting archive links about the history of this, so if anyone wants to go through it and rewrite this, please do.
Holy shit, look at this newfag.
Holy shit, look at this newfag.
this is heretical
this is heretical
In a desperate attempt to cover the fact that they do not celebrate Easter, the m*Ttoid attempt to destroy all traces of our beloved toad, Easter
In a desperate attempt to cover the fact that they do not celebrate Easter, the m*Ttoid attempt to destroy all traces of our beloved toad, Easter
Its called ''Easter?'' and it has nothing to do with the alt right
Its called ''Easter?'' and it has nothing to do with the alt right
I´d say that it originated in /int/ , and named "easter toad", it was frequently used to trigger americans by posting it along with the phrase "why dont american celebrate easter?"
I´d say that it originated in /int/ , and named "easter toad", it was frequently used to trigger americans by posting it along with the phrase "why dont american celebrate easter?"
This is what happens when memes inbreed.
This is what happens when memes inbreed.
Man, the number of Pepe mutations and spin-offs that continue to be made is nothing short of astonishing.
Man, the number of Pepe mutations and spin-offs that continue to be made is nothing short of astonishing.
What's the market for rare Groypers like?
What's the market for rare Groypers like?
>/pol/ stealing any frog related meme and ruining it
>Zero (0) mentions of easter posting
God damm I liked easter posting
>/pol/ stealing any frog related meme and ruining it
>Zero (0) mentions of easter posting
God damm I liked easter posting
>More memes being made into normie memes
>More memes being made into normie memes
Pepe you use to be so dank and funny! Now you are doing…this, what happened to you?
Pepe you use to be so dank and funny! Now you are doing…this, what happened to you?
He fell in with the wrong crowd.
He fell in with the wrong crowd.
It's been happening to too many good people.
It's been happening to too many good people.
Nice, I didn't know this mutation had its own name.
Nice, I didn't know this mutation had its own name.
>Pepe meme
>Alt-right
>Not even any explanation documented beyond the mention on the first paragraph and frontpage
>Pepe meme
>Alt-right
>Not even any explanation documented beyond the mention on the first paragraph and frontpage
Fair point! I was cautious to add that myself, but it appears that's what is going on. I added several example Twitter accounts.
Fair point! I was cautious to add that myself, but it appears that's what is going on. I added several example Twitter accounts.
I like it
I like it