Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

Sometimes I feel like I need to remind people that games are not reality. You do not need to see yourself in games. You do not need to be represented in games.

Then it should be no problem if a character stops 'representing you' or you stop 'seeing yourself' in a character because they changed their sexual orientation.

It is not a problem to me personally. I'm not the one out here pretending DEI and the push to represent certain demographics above others doesn't have any type of impact on the trend of gaming or that its not "woke" ideology.

I'm the one saying you are weird if you need validation from a video game.

I will say however, I am bored with the AAA over correction where almost every notable game features a woman or a woman of colour or a gay woman of colour. We had a push for diversity in gaming and now in 2026 I'm sitting here wishing we had diverisity in our AAA games.

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

Sometimes I feel like I need to remind people that games are not reality. You do not need to see yourself in games. You do not need to be represented in games.

Look at the history of the FPS genre. The common logic from these higher ups back then were FPS games only appealed to men. So make them only for men. CoD. Gears of War, Battlefield. Manly men doing masculine things. Muted grey colour tones because that statistically was proven to appeal more to men (guess I was one of the few who loved brighter colors). Realistic guns.

Then Overwatch came out. Bucking all these trends. More vivid colours, more character representation, unrealistic guns. It proved to these executives that women would actually play FPS games if you make your games for them too. As it had twice the female to male gender ratio over other FPS titles. After that, CoD, Battlefield, etc. They all started copying OW. Representation up the wazzu. Which can be annoying when forced and obvious. These corporate mandates. But keep in mind the mandates always existed. They just felt invisible.

Maybe the moral of the story is we're all weaker to pandering than we actually know. I for one found the whole China pandering in Hollywood movies to be cringey. Like that Transformers movie that has 1/3 the movie take place in China, or in Marvel movies where they'll put in a Chinese only scenes where the heroes are rescued by some Chinese field medic or something. I thought those things were obvious and dumb pandering. But the Chinese kind of loved it for a while. Seems people hate pandering except when it's towards them.

Gears of war isnt a FPS

Originally posted by Revenge of the Nerd:

Originally posted by Soren:

Look at the history of the FPS genre. The common logic from these higher ups back then were FPS games only appealed to men. So make them only for men. CoD. Gears of War, Battlefield. Manly men doing masculine things. Muted grey colour tones because that statistically was proven to appeal more to men (guess I was one of the few who loved brighter colors). Realistic guns.

Then Overwatch came out. Bucking all these trends. More vivid colours, more character representation, unrealistic guns. It proved to these executives that women would actually play FPS games if you make your games for them too. As it had twice the female to male gender ratio over other FPS titles. After that, CoD, Battlefield, etc. They all started copying OW. Representation up the wazzu. Which can be annoying when forced and obvious. These corporate mandates. But keep in mind the mandates always existed. They just felt invisible.

Maybe the moral of the story is we're all weaker to pandering than we actually know. I for one found the whole China pandering in Hollywood movies to be cringey. Like that Transformers movie that has 1/3 the movie take place in China, or in Marvel movies where they'll put in a Chinese only scenes where the heroes are rescued by some Chinese field medic or something. I thought those things were obvious and dumb pandering. But the Chinese kind of loved it for a while. Seems people hate pandering except when it's towards them.

Gears of war isnt a FPS

its a NPS (neck person shooter) because the Gears are 75% neck with those tree trunks sticking out of their shoulders

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

I will say however, I am bored with the AAA over correction where almost every notable game features a woman or a woman of colour or a gay woman of colour. We had a push for diversity in gaming and now in 2026 I'm sitting here wishing we had diverisity in our AAA games.

Then just move to the niche of your choice.
The gaming field is large. There's some dev out there catering to your specific tastes.

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

Originally posted by datCookie:

Bent the knee to what? KCD 2 was still a very popular title and well loved.

Making a character that wasn't gay to an optional gay in the second game. It selling or being popular doesn't make it any less true. To appeal to certain demographics something was added which based on past history likely wouldn't have been added before.

Funny how the only popular woke games are tacked onto huge franchises.. everything else it destroys.

"Woke" is in everything as it simply is about tolerance.

Also funny how popular "woke" games turned "not woke" cause anti-wokes enjoyed the games.

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

Making a character that wasn't gay to an optional gay in the second game. It selling or being popular doesn't make it any less true. To appeal to certain demographics something was added which based on past history likely wouldn't have been added before.

Funny how the only popular woke games are tacked onto huge franchises.. everything else it destroys.

"That's a BINGO!" - Christopher Waltz - Inglorious Basterds.

keep in mind, that there are (national) games awards that reward "activistic/ideologic" games over quality and value
"activistic/ideologic" games that would likely not exist without massive public funding

an example for that practice is, sadly,:the
German Computer Games Award (Deutscher Computerspielpreis, DCP)
with some rare exceptions there like the award to "enshrouded" in 2025 for "Best German Game and Best Innovation and Technology"
or some kind of "tradtion" awards for anno games,....

may try to find videos about award cermony

it is debatable,
if such practices can be a help to attract developers beyond those of "activistic/ideologic/propaganda" games, a business model that relies on massive public funding

still even there this means step forward compared to demonizing of games, gamers, gaming industry with things like the so called "killer games discussion"/"killerspiele-debatte"
that went on for a long time and worked in tandem with bans of games showing violence/"violence" and censorship
whole careers are built on that demonizing

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by GuerillaTactix:

Making a character that wasn't gay to an optional gay in the second game. It selling or being popular doesn't make it any less true. To appeal to certain demographics something was added which based on past history likely wouldn't have been added before.

Funny how the only popular woke games are tacked onto huge franchises.. everything else it destroys.

Wasn't it the other way around? Weren't woke games destroying huge franchises?

Originally posted by BeastGohanofTruth:

"That's a BINGO!" - Christopher Waltz - Inglorious Basterds.

It's not like Col Landa had a good ending in the movie.

Originally posted by Ograus:

keep in mind, that there are (national) games awards that reward "activistic/ideologic" games over quality and value
"activistic/ideologic" games that would likely not exist without massive public funding

an example for that practice is, sadly,:the
German Computer Games Award (Deutscher Computerspielpreis, DCP)
with some rare exceptions there like the award to "enshrouded" in 2025 for "Best German Game and Best Innovation and Technology"
or some kind of "tradtion" awards for anno games,....

may try to find videos about award cermony

it is debatable,
if such practices can be a help to attract developers beyond those of "activistic/ideologic/propaganda" games, a business model that relies on massive public funding

still even there this means step forward compared to demonizing of games, gamers, gaming industry with things like the so called "killer games discussion"/"killerspiele-debatte"
that went on for a long time and worked in tandem with bans of games showing violence/"violence" and censorship
whole careers are built on that demonizing

If you have to have a career on nothing more than ACTIVISM, you are nothing more than a PAWN in a chess game...

What ever happened to having CREATIVITY?! Imagination?! Huh? When did humanity go ahead and say, "F This. I'm done thinking on my own and want to be nothing more than a drone to soceity's puppetting..." When did we start giving up our QUALIA, to just give into Temptation and GREED?!

And people wonder why there is something MASSIVE on the horizon that is going to be Historical but also BIBLICAL...

If you can't see past your own NOSE of what is all going on, you are already past the point of no return...

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

"Woke" is in everything as it simply is about tolerance.

Also funny how popular "woke" games turned "not woke" cause anti-wokes enjoyed the games.

I did not enjoy BG3 or KCD2.

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

"Woke" is in everything as it simply is about tolerance.

Also funny how popular "woke" games turned "not woke" cause anti-wokes enjoyed the games.

I did not enjoy BG3 or KCD2.

Both were Industry Plants.

And KCD2 was NOT KCD.

The first is a GEM, and it was enjoyable, but the SEQUEL was them intentionally destroying EVERYTHING on purpose from the first one to destroy the IP.

Don't get me started on BG3...

Originally posted by Hunter Este:

Originally posted by DnD not me cup of T:

I remember KCD1 drama, it actually didnt ruin anything just made the game popular tho lol

And then in KCD2 they bent the knee. :dos2skull:

-Christ is King! :gk_cross:

kcd2 was Daniel sold the whole enterprise to DeepSilver and they wanted to get some funds from EU.

Originally posted by Hunter Este:

Originally posted by DnD not me cup of T:

I remember KCD1 drama, it actually didnt ruin anything just made the game popular tho lol

And then in KCD2 they bent the knee. :dos2skull:

-Christ is King! :gk_cross:

YEP!