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When did the "activist" game developer mindset start?
Most strange phenomena can be pinned down to a single date or title, such as the first game to feature a turrent section, or the first game to feature quick-time events (I'm glad those two features are gone). So, what was the first game where the developers had a "activist" mindset, where they didn't care about their customers at all and actively fought against them brazenly. When did this terrible, narcissistic mindset start, and what's the first game to be plagued by it?

I can pinpoint such a mindset with movies, with Ghostbusters 2016. That was the first movie I saw where the director, the actors, and even the studio funding it actively went against the customers and fought against them so openly. It was pretty weird, which made it satisfying when the movie flopped and it sequel was cancelled.

But what about games? What was the first game to be plagued with the "activist" mindset that ruined it?
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BeastGohanofTruth
1 Jul @ 4:30am 
Originally posted by steven1mac:
When did the "activist" game developer mindset start?

IT is a tough question, but it really starts when governments forced a diversity quota on companies. First it was fairly simple, if your company is over a certain size you need a certain ratio of minorities vs the majority population. Then when the LBGQ++++++++++++++ movement got enough power, they could add additional categories for diversity. A company no longer needed to hire so many women, minorities and the like, you could add a gay/transgender/nonbinary person and if they were a minority, you get an extra political point and meet the quota.

The first thing they do it put them into lower management such as HR to not interrupt the business workflow. Suddenly your HR is full of people who will actively recruit more people like them. Before you know it, the ratio of workers changes, and your marketing, sales are filled with people that are more focused on XYZ identity than day to day business. IF your CEO or other high ranking and your not part of that group, you now walk on egg shells, because you could be the next one to be let go, so there is little internal resistance to unusual no productive practices that add nothing to the bottom line of the company.

End result, you start making products that are not catered to the mass audience, but to a small minority. Game studios, Hollywood, software developers, it is more noticeable in these industries, but really it effects most companies that have more than a couple thousand employees.

All of this is spot on, and yea even software companies are now suffering.

Example: Blender itself is now under a lot of SCRUTINY on it was supposed to have been an Open Source/Decentralized Software, but now it having possible links to Claude and Anthropic, people start wondering if we have ANYTHING left that is in OUR control, and not in THEIRS.

Open source works, by the way, and it can SUSTAIN itself long term. The problem is: who you allow to run the open source funding? If someone that is WEAK MINDED and susceptible to Greed and Temptation, they can easily take a payout from a corpo, and then when that happens, it no longer is Open Source, and now owned.

But I agree with EVERYTHING you said.
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The nameless Gamer
1 Jul @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by D. Flame:
Originally posted by The nameless Gamer:

I am not moving the goalpost. When I say "gaming industry", I mean the ENTIRE game industry ALWAYS. YOU ignored the AA and indie parts.
Sure, you did. :OneeChanbaraORIGIN_AYA:

Have a nice day.

Maybe you can point out where I moved the goalpost? Jog my memory?
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wesnef
1 Jul @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
DEI is a legit industry Acronym.

But are you using the original/legitimate definition, or are you using the current Trumpian definition (i.e, literally *any* mention of women, gender, or brown people, regardless of context)




Originally posted by BeastGohanofTruth:

It's more than that. It's a Latin term the Cult Embodies: Divide and Conquer.

BWAHAHAHA! :D
Man, the alternate reality that you inhabit is totally NUTS!




Originally posted by BeastGohanofTruth:
And we're the "Schizos" for pointing this out...*facepalm*

I mean, it's certainly one explanation for the utter lunacy you keep posting.
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Bishop
1 Jul @ 11:19am 
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
Anti-woke people don't exist, its just the normal masses vs the fanatical left wing minorities.

There is no such thing as Anti woke.
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.
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The nameless Gamer
1 Jul @ 11:23am 
Originally posted by Bishop:
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
Anti-woke people don't exist, its just the normal masses vs the fanatical left wing minorities.

There is no such thing as Anti woke.
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.

Being alright with non-white characters in games is not the same as hating white people. The "hate against white people" is something that exists only in your head and you have nothing to show to convince me otherwise.
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Crazy Tiger
1 Jul @ 11:27am 
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
Anti-woke people don't exist, its just the normal masses vs the fanatical left wing minorities.

There is no such thing as Anti woke.
There absolutely is. The "normal" of the anti-wokes is not what is normal for the general populace. All those people making fusses in game hubs about "woke" are anti-wokes and defo not normal people.

I dislike wokes and anti-wokes as both are similar sides of the same attention craving coin.

Heck, the thought of "being normal" means being considered same as anti-wokes is quite a terrifying thought.
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fluxtorrent
1 Jul @ 11:30am 
Do the people with this kind of question actually understand the word activist and comprehend they are BEING activists by trying to force their agenda on other people?

Or are they just repeating a buzzword like mindless sheep?
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Crazy Tiger
1 Jul @ 11:32am 
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Do the people with this kind of question actually understand the word activist and comprehend they are BEING activists by trying to force their agenda on other people?

Or are they just repeating a buzzword like mindless sheep?
I've pointed that out in a thread as well, yeah. The sheer irony of activist gamers complaining about developers.
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BeastGohanofTruth
1 Jul @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by Bishop:
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
Anti-woke people don't exist, its just the normal masses vs the fanatical left wing minorities.

There is no such thing as Anti woke.
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.

BINGO! We have a winner...
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Tito Shivan
1 Jul @ 12:51pm 
Originally posted by Bishop:
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing.
"Our normal people vs the radical left"
https://x.com/i/status/571994690289061888
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PocketYoda
1 Jul @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by wesnef:
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
DEI is a legit industry Acronym.

But are you using the original/legitimate definition, or are you using the current Trumpian definition (i.e, literally *any* mention of women, gender, or brown people, regardless of context)
These days the terms have become one and the same.. The minorities co-opted it.
Originally posted by Bishop:
Originally posted by PocketYoda:
Anti-woke people don't exist, its just the normal masses vs the fanatical left wing minorities.

There is no such thing as Anti woke.
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.
I used to be left leaning.. Now i prefer the right because they seem less crazed. and have similar views i do. Are they perfect no.. but they are the safer for a sane future..
Originally posted by The nameless Gamer:
Originally posted by Bishop:
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.

Being alright with non-white characters in games is not the same as hating white people. The "hate against white people" is something that exists only in your head and you have nothing to show to convince me otherwise.
Two seconds on Tiktok and instagram would prove you wrong on that.. there is so much white hate there its getting dangerous.
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GuerillaTactix
1 Jul @ 7:49pm 
Originally posted by The nameless Gamer:
Originally posted by Bishop:
Close but I'd rephrase that to it's just normal people vs the left-wing. The modern left are very united in their hatred of White people, desire to champion progressive values, and intentions on destroying the west. Anyone who's even slightly close to what you would consider an "old school liberal" abandoned the left when they started using authoritarianism to oppress others and censor ideas. That's why the dissident sphere is filled with so many former liberals, centrists, and libertarian types.

Being alright with non-white characters in games is not the same as hating white people. The "hate against white people" is something that exists only in your head and you have nothing to show to convince me otherwise.

No matter what proof someone shows you, it would be a waste of time for them. You made a definitive statement on your point of view and you're not going to come off of it. People who have an open mind say things like, " I do not believe". You made a defenitive " It only exists in your head" with like the confidence that the sky is blue.
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VampireLiv
1 Jul @ 8:30pm 
its always been there. but the social media game community has become toxic who look over every bit of every game trying to find fault with it. theres a lot of misinformation out there.

im not saying woke games dont exist. i didnt want to admit dragon age was, i played it and then i just felt like yeahhhhh they ruined this. there are other games too but theres not many. and having a woman as a character or a gay character doesnt mean activist agenda. but basing the character on your own image or ideals or being preachy about it does.

people are always gonna have different opinions. Unfortunately thanks to social media and forums like this everyone has to announce their opinions. These platforms should be used for fun and discussing things you like. Instead they focus on stuff they dont like and just talk about it nonstop.
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Start_Running
1 Jul @ 9:01pm 
Originally posted by VampireLiv:
its always been there. but the social media game community has become toxic who look over every bit of every game trying to find fault with it. theres a lot of misinformation out there.

im not saying woke games dont exist. i didnt want to admit dragon age was, i played it and then i just felt like yeahhhhh they ruined this. there are other games too but theres not many. and having a woman as a character or a gay character doesnt mean activist agenda. but basing the character on your own image or ideals or being preachy about it does.

people are always gonna have different opinions. Unfortunately thanks to social media and forums like this everyone has to announce their opinions. These platforms should be used for fun and discussing things you like. Instead they focus on stuff they dont like and just talk about it nonstop.
Always remember. Just because a game doesn't appeal to ytou. doesn't mean it won't appeal to someone who is not you. People keep forgetting that.

This was well understood back in the 80's and 80's even the early 00's . BUt then youtuibers discovered that rage clicks get them a lot iof money
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GuerillaTactix
1 Jul @ 9:13pm 
The issue is that they're not creating new IPs, they're changing what a game used to be in order to change it to what they want it to be. Thus making sure that games which used to appeal to an audience no longer appears to them. When games that do appeal to people come up, its trashed in gaming "media" because it has an attractive female character, it doesn't have enough women, enough POC, not enough gay people, too violent, etc. Thus we live in a system where old games are being changed to no longer be appealing to their previous audience and new games that would appeal to that audience have campaigns to discourage people to not buy them.
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