>>3758385>Youre just shifting the goalpostThat is what you are doing, let us recount the conversation.
>Me: To believe a man is a god makes you a pagan by definition, because you worship the material world and are polytheistic. <You: Pagan literally means non-Christian so you are a PaganI am directly quoting you btw.
So here is how the argument starts, I claim you are a pagan because you worship Isa alongside Allah
You claim I am pagan because I am non-Christian
These are our definitions
Me: Pagan = Polytheistic worshiper of the material world
You: Pagan = Non-Christian
Here is how it continues
<Not true at all, you literally kust contradicted yourself. Pagan is a term creatrd BY Christians literally to describe any non-Christian they faced.I respond
>If you mean the literal word 'Pagan' then yes it was a word coined by Latin speaking ChristiansSo I admit the word itself was coined by Christians, but then I say
>But the concept of Paganism/Idolatry is older than Christianity, and it existed in Judaisms and Islam before Christianity was created. So no, I never admitted that Pagan meant non-Christian. I only admitted the word Pagani was coined by Christians, which was never apart of my original argument as seen above. So your whole point in admitting you were right is deceptive, I merely agreed with you on a point not relevant to my core argument.
But you are low IQ so you respond with
<But yeah you admit that im right the literal word PAGAN means someone who isnt Christian which makes you a PAGANI respond
>This still is not correct, even in 4th century Rome. Jews also lived in the Roman empire, and they WERE NOT considered Pagan. Pagan does not and never did meant non Christian, it mean polytheistic idolator. You are a trinitarian who worships a Jew, this makes you no different than a pagan in reality.So a new counter argument against your thesis enters the fray
Jews are non-Christian
AND
Jews are non-pagan
Your rebuttal
>Thats because Christianity is originaly a sect of Judaism, at the time it still had the meaning of non-Christian because it meant someone out of the fold of the only Abrahamic thinking that existed at the time and Pagani means gentiles.So you change your stance. Pagan no longer means non-Christian to you, it now means those who do not follow Christianity or Judaism. You also say "someone out of the fold of the only Abrahamic thinking that existed at the time"
This statement was confusing to me, I was not sure if you were implying Christanity was the only form of Abrahamic thinking at the time, so I responded with saying that the Romans knew full well what Judaism was and that Christianity was absolutely not the only Abrahamic religion known to Rome.
You go back to your original position
<Its literally a word used to refer to non-ChristiansBut then you say right after
<Jesus himself was a Jew and obviously he wasn't a Pagan.So you just contradicted yourself
Jews are not pagan and Romans did not use the word pagan to describe Jews. You refuse to directly dispute this and go on to parrot your original point.
You also say
<Anyways anyone can google search it to verify for themselves that the word Pagan was invented by Christians and it refers to non-Christians.I did just that, and Pagan was a more complicated word than just non-Christian. Google clearly showed me that Pagani was used to describe the polytheistic ruralites in Rome, it has a more narrow definition than you suggest it did.
So how exactly am I shifting the goal post? The only one who shifted the goal post was you when you said Pagan meant Christian and Jew.
You say next
<but I corrected you and said that since its a term invented by Christians to REFER TO non-Christians, it doesnt MEAN non-ChristianBut you literally said early in the thread
<Pagan literally means non-ChristianAgain these are unaltered quotes from you, you are lying about your position.
You also say
<first you said it wasnt invented by ChristiansBut as I have shown, I have never stated this, in fact as soon as your brought up this fact, I immediately agreed with you. Pagan being a word not coined by Christians was never apart of my argument. My argument is that Pagans are polytheists and that you are a polytheist because you worship Allah and Isa. There is nothing contradictory about this statement and I never changed or altered this position. You are the only one backpedaling and shifting the goalpost, yet you have the nerve to accuse me of doing so. Pagan does not mean non-Christian, you admit I am right on this point.
