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| 2026-04-26 00:02:17 kiliro what do you mean, Kolev ? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:02:44 kiliro Kolev: would you please provide an example? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:02:48 Kolev kiliro, I mean I don't use a website for anything. I have a program for most things. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:04 kiliro even banking? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:10 Kolev kiliro, for example, I don't use the Mastodon web app. I use a Mastodon app (Tuba) for using Mastodon. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:25 kiliro I don't use Mastodon | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:26 Kolev kiliro, banking I do use through the web app. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:42 kiliro would you please provide another example? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:03:55 kiliro I do not use any social networks, by the way | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:03 kiliro so those would not serve | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:05 kiliro me | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:10 kiliro those apps | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:13 Kolev My chats (Jabber, Matrix) are dedicated apps (Gajim, Fractal). | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:33 Kolev And of course email is an app (Evolution). | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:33 kiliro oh...me too with IRC | |
| 2026-04-26 00:04:59 kiliro I still use roundcube | |
| 2026-04-26 00:05:01 Kolev For dedicated IRC app, I use Halloy, but that's rare. I mostly just use Gajim. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:05:24 kiliro for IRC, I use Emacs ERC | |
| 2026-04-26 00:05:43 Kolev I wish Emacs were powerful enough to handle encrypted chats. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:06:02 Kolev I'd dearly love to have all my chats and calls in Emacs. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:06:19 kiliro I use erc-tls | |
| 2026-04-26 00:06:24 kiliro is that what you mean? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:06:59 Kolev There is a Jabber program for Emacs, but it does not do OMEMO encryption. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:08:02 Kolev jabber.el, that is. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:08:29 kiliro oh...you mean XMPP | |
| 2026-04-26 00:08:46 Kolev XMPP is the protocol for Jabber, yes. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:09:14 Kolev Jabber is my main chat system. I use Matrix only because I have to, to talk to free software projects. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:12:35 kiliro ok | |
| 2026-04-26 00:12:50 kiliro I would like to find a way to | |
| 2026-04-26 00:13:04 Kolev All my calls are done over XMPP. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:13:08 kiliro edit a single field of a csv file | |
| 2026-04-26 00:13:46 kiliro visicsv works, but I do not want to show all records, not even all fields on a record | |
| 2026-04-26 00:14:23 kiliro sorry...its visidata | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:17:43 kiliro I guess it is Python | |
| 2026-04-26 00:17:57 kiliro that is another bad thing for my goals | |
| 2026-04-26 00:18:08 kiliro so visidata is rejected | |
| 2026-04-26 00:18:16 Kolev I want to learn Rust. I tried a few times. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:22:03 kiliro Kolev: beware https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:rust_issues | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:22:47 Kolev I don't trust Hyperbola. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:24:45 cat9 Rust is memory unsafe | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:24:51 cat9 Learn C instead | |
| 2026-04-26 00:26:36 Kolev A lot of my free programs are written in Rust. The kernel even has Rust. I'm going to use Rust. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:27:21 Kolev Hyperbola is a bunch of fear-mongering. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:28:37 Kolev If I lived under Hyperbola's logic, I'd just chuck computers into the trash altogether and never use them again. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:34:47 Kolev Rust is in the FSD BTW. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:39:55 britney i prefer golang | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:41:28 Kolev Rust is free, because it made it into the very kernel, and it hasn't resulted in kernel redistribution issues. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:41:36 kiliro Kolev: so you think the article is trash without even reading it? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:41:47 Kolev Rust is free, because it's in the Free Software Directory. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:41:57 kiliro Kolev: linux is NOT free software | |
| 2026-04-26 00:42:09 Kolev Rust is in linux-libre too, kiliro. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:42:20 kiliro yes...by mistake | |
| 2026-04-26 00:42:35 Kolev Rust was written FOR linux-libre. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:42:35 gnubootuser linux is a mistake. hurd is better. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:43:09 britney linux is under the gpl, it probably is free software | |
| 2026-04-26 00:43:27 britney my favourite game is written in golang tho: https://git.cerberusgames.ca/Starstreak/oppwars | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:01 kiliro linux has nonfree software in it | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:12 Kolev kiliro, no, Linux calls nonfree software. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:13 kiliro most is gpl v2 but not all | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:23 Noisytoot <cat9> Rust is memory unsafe <cat9> Learn C instead | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:25 Noisytoot and C isn't? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:36 Noisytoot In what way is Rust memory unsafe? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:45:55 kiliro read the link...I think it says there Noisytoot | |
| 2026-04-26 00:46:14 gnubootuser can i read the article kilirno sry i just come here | |
| 2026-04-26 00:46:22 gnubootuser kiliro | |
| 2026-04-26 00:46:43 Noisytoot kiliro: It doesn't | |
| 2026-04-26 00:46:52 Kolev The link is fear-mongering. Hyperbola invalidates most "free" software. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:47:39 gnubootuser i have gnu hurd on my gnu boot x200 and its quite lovely | |
| 2026-04-26 00:47:50 Kolev If I went by Hyperbola's logic and rules, I'd have no software to use. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:47:51 britney i prefer libreboot | |
| 2026-04-26 00:47:55 britney it actually works | |
| 2026-04-26 00:48:23 Noisytoot The article is purely about freedom issues. cat9's statement was both purely technical and untrue | |
| 2026-04-26 00:48:26 Kolev Rust is in GNU linux-libre, therefore Rust is free. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:48:51 gnubootuser kiliro ? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:49:03 Noisytoot Every FSDG distro except Hyperbola considers Rust to be free | |
| 2026-04-26 00:49:29 Kolev Hyperbola just claims stuff is nonfree whenever the software becomes popular. It's a hipster distro. | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:50:21 gnubootuser hyperbola is incredibly based | |
| 2026-04-26 00:50:26 britney nah they are just weird | |
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| 2026-04-26 00:50:42 Kolev Noisytoot, Rust is in the FSD, it's in GNU linux-libre, it's probably in Trisquel. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:01 Kolev Wait, it's in linux-libre, so it is in Trisquel. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:13 gnubootuser i have only one question for the gnu distros page | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:13 kiliro i see it does not report any memory issues...I thought it said that too | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:17 gnubootuser https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:26 gnubootuser i mean this with all respect to you my comrades | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:26 kiliro "In short, the Rust Foundation won't be happy with applying patches and | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:27 kiliro modifications to their language without “explicit approval”, so it is a freedom | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:27 kiliro issue. We should not have to ask for modifications and we do not ask for permission. " | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:39 gnubootuser why does the dragora logo look like a medical drawing of a woman's vulva? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:51:50 gnubootuser when you see it, you will not un-see it | |
| 2026-04-26 00:52:02 britney hyperbola is just bizarre | |
| 2026-04-26 00:52:13 gnubootuser https://www.gnu.org/graphics/distros-dragora-modern.svg | |
| 2026-04-26 00:52:19 gnubootuser it is a vulva with dragons | |
| 2026-04-26 00:52:37 britney oh jeez | |
| 2026-04-26 00:52:46 Kolev OMG, I see it... | |
| 2026-04-26 00:53:12 britney that is some subliminal shit | |
| 2026-04-26 00:53:53 britney i was wondering why i had the urge to switch, thanks for noticing | |
| 2026-04-26 00:53:58 gnubootuser that is very cool but it raises some questions :) | |
| 2026-04-26 00:54:34 kiliro If you have to ask in order to modify, it is not free software | |
| 2026-04-26 00:54:59 britney you dont | |
| 2026-04-26 00:55:07 britney you could fork it and change the name | |
| 2026-04-26 00:55:08 gnubootuser can someone pls re-link the article kiliro aludes to regarding rust | |
| 2026-04-26 00:55:14 britney trademarks arent copyright law | |
| 2026-04-26 00:55:31 kiliro it is too difficult to do...not trivial | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:01 kiliro https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:rust_issues | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:02 britney i could literally fork the repo and run a replace on 'rust' to 'thermite' | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:11 gnubootuser someone should make a rust fork with a penis logo | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:15 britney it would take all of five minutes | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:19 kiliro do it, britney | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:25 britney and becaue you can, its free software | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:30 kiliro I bet you will not finish this year | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:31 britney difficulty doesnt make something non free | |
| 2026-04-26 00:56:57 britney open kate, "replace" "from: rust" "to: thermite" | |
| 2026-04-26 00:57:04 kiliro you can also rewrite the code to nonfree software and make it free | |
| 2026-04-26 00:57:32 kiliro but it is still nonfree software | |
| 2026-04-26 00:57:34 britney your own personal difficulties and inexperience don't make something non-free | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:04 kiliro if you do not want to see it, prove it by making the fork | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:06 gnubootuser sooooo tl;dr rust is free but trademark requires rebranding? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:13 britney i can give you a command | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:36 kiliro just publish your fork to a free version of rust | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:45 Kolev Crablang, I think it's called. | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:46 kiliro if it is so easy | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:54 britney git clone https://github.com/rust-lang/rust.git | |
| 2026-04-26 00:58:58 britney done, fork | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:08 gnubootuser firefox for example has a "nightly" branding that is free of trademark so maybe rust will do something the same? | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:20 kiliro you still cannot modify it without their permission | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:34 gnubootuser why not | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:37 britney here | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:41 britney git clone https://github.com/rust-lang/rust.git && cd rust && find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/rust/thermite/g' {} + | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:55 britney why | |
| 2026-04-26 00:59:55 gnubootuser fuck can you can read it to me like i'm 5 pls | |
| 2026-04-26 01:00:21 britney i see the apache license and mit license in use | |
| 2026-04-26 01:00:42 kiliro check if it really works or if it broken | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:03 Kolev kiliro, TeX cannot be modified directly. You can only modify it by adding code. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:10 kiliro "Yes, we also know about the project CrabLang. But that exactly underlines again our points: If it would have been that easy as some people say, this project would have already made a stable release and informed about that. Also CrabLang has not really shown more interest into stable releases and only follows the development of Rust while keeping builds direct from the source-repositories working." | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:17 gnubootuser from whcat i tell i think rust is requesting you to ask but if it uses mit and mozilla license then it is free software | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:01:37 britney kiliro: my solution was even offered by hyperbola | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:39 gnubootuser nominally unfree in practise if certain social friction such as this mandates such grace | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:42 britney read the part about rebranding | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:46 britney Rebranding the entire language to avoid the trademark restriction. Such as IceCat was made to replace Firefox and Iceweasel-UXP to replace Basilisk; however it is a programming language, not a browser. A rebranded version of Rust maintained by the GNU Project and FSDG-compliant distros could be the way. However, we would need patches to adapt all Rust-dependant applications to the modified version of | |
| 2026-04-26 01:01:48 britney Rust, since it is a programming language. We would also need to maintain a list of nonfree cargo packages (crates) for blacklisting purpose. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:11 gnubootuser it is not so easy to fork crates and cargo so probably some people will not bother and then they defer to rust decree | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:26 kiliro my girlfriend calls me to make love...I guess that is better than having a discussion with a hardhead | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:32 gnubootuser so maybe hyperbola has a point and those frictions make it effectively unfree even if the license says otherwise. is this the point? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:38 britney kiliro: you are being hard headed | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:45 britney you are parroting stuff you read | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:51 britney think logically | |
| 2026-04-26 01:02:53 gnubootuser i will not agree or disagree but i want to understand the point from https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:rust_issues | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:03:07 britney git clone https://github.com/rust-lang/rust.git && cd rust && find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/rust/thermite/g' {} + | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:11 britney there is your command | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:15 britney it didnt take me months | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:16 Kolev Rust is in GNU linux-libre and the FSF's Free Software Directory. It is free. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:26 gnubootuser guix for example i am told has mozilla browsers and this contains rust | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:41 Kolev Yes. Abrowser contains Rust. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:03:45 britney IceCat has rust | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:01 gnubootuser i have observed that the hyperbola programmers are more insistent and strict | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:03 kiliro the license says that you cannot modify the code if you do not rebrand...that is not free | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:22 britney so you can modify the code | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:27 britney you just have to rebrand | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:32 britney so? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:39 britney you're complaining about trademarks | |
| 2026-04-26 01:04:53 britney linux has trademarks too | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:15 britney linus could totally sue LXO for using a script that indiscriminately and badly removes firmware | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:24 gnubootuser well i technically would agree with kiliro yes the rust software is not free, because "the rust software" includes the rust name which has the trademark restriction. the rust *code* only is free, and then you will just s/rust/penislang/g yes????? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:25 britney calling it linux when its not | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:31 gnubootuser plang | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:48 britney he doesnt | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:53 britney but he *could* | |
| 2026-04-26 01:05:56 gnubootuser no?????? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:06:53 kiliro so you could have a free version of rust...but rust is currently nonfree | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:02 jxself Trademarks and free software don't have to conflict. Let's go back to the Free Software Definition: "...Thus, it is acceptable for the license to require that you change the name of the modified version, remove a logo, or identify your modifications as yours..." | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:02 britney linux-libre isn't free using your logic | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:06 britney linux is trademarked | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:27 britney what happened to gnu/hurd | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:35 <-- blackout69 (~Thunderbi@151.3.237.232) has quit (Quit: blackout69) | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:39 jxself It stil exists. Go download & use it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:07:43 kiliro that is different...they do not require permission to modify | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:09 kiliro think what you want, even if you will not fork it and prove your point | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:20 britney trademarks are trademarks and copyright law is copyright law | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:24 britney these are two seperate things | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:25 jxself The only permission is to modify and keep the name. If you modify and change the name, no permission is needed. Hence ""...Thus, it is acceptable for the license to require that you change the name of the modified version, remove a logo, or identify your modifications as yours..." | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:27 kiliro I go for the call of love...I hope you have the same chance | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:37 britney the code is free software under copyright law | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:47 britney the code is non-free under trademark law | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:48 gnubootuser i agree with kiliro | |
| 2026-04-26 01:08:56 britney right? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:04 gnubootuser i think rust is non-free based on the examples i'm given | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:06 Kolev jxself, so Rust is OK because a fork would have to change its name anyway. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:10 britney so perhaps the fsf should make a trademarkleft thing | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:14 jxself kolev: Exactly. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:15 gnubootuser rust is not only the code but also the brand | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:22 gnubootuser the code of rust is just the code of rust | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:34 gnubootuser rust is not the code of rust. rust is the name rust, and has a trademark | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:48 jxself GNU is trademarked. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:09:53 gnubootuser logically then we say rust is unfree even when the code is with a free license yes?? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:01 gnubootuser so do like iceweasel yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:22 gnubootuser you will provide me a rust package that does not contain the rust branding and now we can call it a free program | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:27 jxself Trademarks only get in the way when you do like Mozilla does. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:37 jxself But aside from that they don't have to conflict. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:43 britney perhaps Fedora Linux *should* be called Fedora GNU/Linux so that everyone knows the FSF endorses it | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:51 gnubootuser however i only agree with kiliro on a llogically correct basis yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:55 britney trademarks yo | |
| 2026-04-26 01:10:59 gnubootuser the logic and reality are not similar | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:02 Kolev TeX's source code can't even be modified and redistributed. You can only add more files to it, to modify it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:03 jxself Changing the name on Fedora wouldn't change the nature of the objections over Fedora. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:09 gnubootuser for example will rust enforce such restrictions? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:19 jxself What restriction? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:38 gnubootuser i can see that there is rust in all of the free softwaare things are i do not see that they sanction the official team but do what they will yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:11:57 Kolev BTW, anybody have a Wi-Fi adapter that's small and compact that I can use? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:08 jxself ThinkPenguing has them. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:17 gnubootuser and yes gnu is a trademark but when you will read gnu it says that the brand can be used by any persons if they are using it for advancement of the free software realm and when they are not attacking the gnu | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:22 gnubootuser is that correct? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:31 jxself https://thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:37 klea > demands to ask for allowing modifications | |
| 2026-04-26 01:12:37 klea Should probably be rewritten as "demands to ask for allowing modifications while using the Rust and Cargo names", IMHO. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:08 gnubootuser please consider that if the rust team will enforce such terms then the answer from the world is maybe a fork too | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:13 Kolev jxself, hm. $50 right now. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:19 gnubootuser we are humans and we will do as we will | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:21 jxself It goes to supporting a good cause. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:32 jxself But you can also search for that chipset on eBay to save money. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:38 Kolev jxself, what do they donate to? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:56 jxself The reason we have free software for that chipset at all is because of ThinkPenguin. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:13:57 gnubootuser so even when i agree with kiliro on a 100% factual way i do think also that this will not be a problem in the raelity | |
| 2026-04-26 01:14:20 Kolev jxself, I'll wait 3 months to afford the chipset. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:14:21 gnubootuser given then then i think the rust corporation can now remove such words and then the hyperman project will be glad | |
| 2026-04-26 01:14:55 gnubootuser britney fedora is also an unfree gnu unholy | |
| 2026-04-26 01:14:57 Kolev (My uncle no longer has his. He threw it in the trash.) | |
| 2026-04-26 01:15:05 jxself Why would he do that? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:15:32 Kolev jxself, his Wi-Fi worked without it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:15:41 Kolev He paid for it, at least. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:15:42 jxself Still; throw it away? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:00 Kolev He throws things away when he doesn't need them. It's egregious. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:09 jxself Maybe I should add something to my software that says "if you modify this you must change the name" and watch these people's eyeballs spin around. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:10 britney Kolev: they seem to be USA based, which means a portion of that income goes to taxes which fund ICE, genocide and the war in iran | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:26 jxself Oh my. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:27 gnubootuser britney can u answer me pls | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:48 britney gnubootuser: ? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:16:51 Kolev britney, I prefer USA-based, if only because I don't have to deal with the difficulties of shipping between countries and not being able to telephone them. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:06 gnubootuser you will argue the merit of rust freeness but you will talk of fedora here yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:11 Kolev Canada is also acceptable. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:13 britney Kolev: are you USA based? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:17 gnubootuser however you will know that fedora is unfree | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:22 Kolev britney, yes. I live in the USA. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:24 britney RIP | |
| 2026-04-26 01:17:38 britney well you cant avoid funding those things then so it really doesnt matter | |
| 2026-04-26 01:18:04 Kolev britney, and I'd argue that the USA isn't so bad for people who live here, because you can realistically live without a smartphone, unlike in other modernized countries outside the U.S. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:18:33 Kolev In Canada and Europe, you MUST have a smartphone. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:18:39 britney no | |
| 2026-04-26 01:18:52 Kolev Actually, let me go mail the Amish in Ontario and ask them if they have phones. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:19:11 britney not everyone needs a smartphone | |
| 2026-04-26 01:19:22 gnubootuser britney you can make a telephone without electricity | |
| 2026-04-26 01:19:36 jxself A wooden smart phone. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:19:40 britney yeah, if i had a land line | |
| 2026-04-26 01:20:02 britney they usually push DSL but i could get one | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:20:08 gnubootuser have you as a child make a phone with paper cup and some string? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:20:33 britney people pay for things with cash still and we use debit and credit cards sometimes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:20:37 britney apps are optional | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:21:30 gnubootuser well?? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:21:59 Kolev Actually, the Canadians I know don't have smartphones. They manage. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:11 britney so you could flee to Canada Kolev | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:14 jxself I don't even have a computer. Or electricity. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:38 gnubootuser jxself you are so cute then how pray tell are you talking on irc? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:41 jxself Telepathy. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:43 Kolev jxself phreaks into IRC from a phone shack. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:51 jxself That too. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:22:55 britney IP over avian carrier, i bet | |
| 2026-04-26 01:23:15 gnubootuser you must have fed the pigeon some methamphetamines in large doses to talk that fast | |
| 2026-04-26 01:23:27 britney RFC 1149 | |
| 2026-04-26 01:23:27 jxself And of course XKCD 378 https://xkcd.com/378/ | |
| 2026-04-26 01:23:45 jxself If you can do it with hard disks you can do it with networking and get online. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:24:12 Kolev So it'll take me 3 mos. to migrate to Trisquel. That's doable. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:24:24 jxself And then after that you migrate to Windows 11? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:24:24 britney micro-editor is the best | |
| 2026-04-26 01:25:12 Kolev jxself, I don't use Windows or macOS. That's just too far. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:25:44 jxself You use WinMac you say? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:04 britney i run netbsd on a 486 with 32mb ram | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:07 Kolev Nope. I forcibly installed GNU/Linux onto my uncle's computer. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:17 Kolev So there are no Windows machines in my house. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:23 britney inside of 86box | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:25 britney xD | |
| 2026-04-26 01:26:29 jxself I use a PDP-10 mainframe from 1978 running the Incompatible Timesharing System. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:14 jxself https://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/ka10.jpg | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:21 jxself Hard disks the size of washing machines. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:24 britney u got me there | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:40 jxself Down there in front, to the left of the printer. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:40 Kolev jxself, are there halos in there? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:42 britney the oldest cpu i can emulate is an 8088 | |
| 2026-04-26 01:27:47 gnubootuser yo comrade | |
| 2026-04-26 01:28:04 gnubootuser do not worry then and i will just be happy | |
| 2026-04-26 01:28:29 jxself You can also emulate the PDP-10 too. There's software to do that. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:28:46 britney 86box | |
| 2026-04-26 01:29:04 jxself Yeah it's a different emulator program. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:29:13 jxself OpenSIMH | |
| 2026-04-26 01:29:21 Kolev I should log into the ITS again. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:29:21 gnubootuser isnt 86box the one that the pedo wrote? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:30:06 Kolev I could log into the ITS again, but I don't know much of ye olde LISP. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:30:16 jxself Run emacs. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:30:23 Kolev Emacs is usable, yes. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:30:37 britney i did find this https://github.com/PDP-10/its | |
| 2026-04-26 01:30:39 Kolev I forget how file names work. I think it's FOO;TXT. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:03 jxself Yes that is the people restoring the Incompatible Timesharing System from backup tapes at MIT. | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:31:23 jxself As I recall, there are comments inside from RMS. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:27 Kolev I asked RMS where the Control key was on ITS terminals but he couldn't tell me. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:34 jxself He probably doesn't remember. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:50 gnubootuser i read about a pc emulator being written by a pedo last year but i dont remember who | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:52 Kolev Someone else told me, however, that it's where the Alt key is nowadays. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:31:58 gnubootuser 86box sounds familiar however. can someone please confirm? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:32:22 gnubootuser fsf should be careful what it has on the website | |
| 2026-04-26 01:32:45 jxself If you don't like someone you can't use their free software? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:32:48 Kolev Lots of evil entities write good software that we use every day. Google, for example. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:33:07 jxself Yes, exactly. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:33:49 jxself There's no connection from using someone's software and liking or supporting or agreeing with the person behind it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:34:04 jxself We could probably all find something to object to about every person. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:34:23 jxself And so now, we can't use anything... | |
| 2026-04-26 01:35:20 britney gnubootuser: PCBox had the pedo, thats why I said 86box | |
| 2026-04-26 01:35:49 gnubootuser it was leah from libreboot who exposed them and they even said they reported that person to the police | |
| 2026-04-26 01:36:03 gnubootuser but fuck leah, i hate what she did to gnu years ago | |
| 2026-04-26 01:36:19 gnubootuser still however maybe the fsf should NOT link such a project onn its wiki?? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:36:32 jxself Miran Grča isn't vegan. Don't use 86Box. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:36:49 gnubootuser who? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:36:57 jxself The person that made 86Box. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:03 gnubootuser 02:33 <jxself> There's no connection from using someone's software and liking or supporting or agreeing with the person behind it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:23 gnubootuser so it's ok to use and promote a software that is free, even when you know the author is a pedophile or nazi or something | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:29 gnubootuser is this what you say jxself? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:32 jxself So if you use 86Box you're supporting the unethical treatment of animals. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:49 britney and if you use PCBox you are supporting a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 01:37:56 britney so what are we to do about PC emulation | |
| 2026-04-26 01:38:05 jxself We can't use either program then. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:38:17 jxself And if we continue this argument to its logical conclusion we can't use any program. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:38:19 gnubootuser i think if something is made by such a person then everything they made should be removed and forgotten because otherwise you will onyl enable them. this is how michael jackson kept fiddling the kids until he died. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:39:03 britney i also know people who are against the unethical treatment of plants | |
| 2026-04-26 01:39:16 britney so i guess we eat rocks cuz everything we eat is alive | |
| 2026-04-26 01:39:41 gnubootuser jxself are you saying that eating meat and having sex with children is the same? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:39:45 Kolev britney, vegan diet reduces the death toll on plants, because cows eat a lot of plants to live. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:12 Kolev That said, I'm no vegan. I wear leather shoes. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:32 cat9 gnubootuser: Yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:38 jxself I see what gnubootuser is trying to do. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:40 gnubootuser so you defend a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:54 cat9 Noisytoot: It has memory unsafety | |
| 2026-04-26 01:40:59 Kolev gnubootuser, are you vegan? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:03 britney im a flexitarian, im vegan because of cost but i do enjoy a good burger once in a while | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:17 gnubootuser no jxself i saw the project mentioned and that it is on the fsf wiki so i feel to criticise this harshly | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:30 gnubootuser kolev i don't see why you want to know?? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:40 cat9 gnubootuser: Dont worry, its EOL and will be removed soon | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:51 gnubootuser what is eol?? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:53 Kolev gnubootuser: It was a simple question. Are you or are you not a MURDERER? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:41:57 jxself I'm defending the code, not the person. A compiler doesn't care who wrote the syntax, and neither do the Four Freedoms. You're intentionally confusing using a tool with endorsing its maker. | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:42:00 cat9 It went EOL a month or 2 ago | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:42:05 gnubootuser yes kolev i have killed many men /s | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:09 cat9 End of life, no longer maintained | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:09 gnubootuser and i eat babies | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:10 cat9 It died | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:18 cat9 Dragora is dead | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:25 jxself So we cannot use any software that gnubootuser makes now. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:30 Kolev RIP Dragora. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:34 jxself If they do something objectionable. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:48 gnubootuser well the software i make is commodore games in the 80s and some stupid shit after that | |
| 2026-04-26 01:42:56 gnubootuser i don't think you will use my software now | |
| 2026-04-26 01:43:27 britney my favourite game is OPPWars, its the kind of game that should be ported to c64 | |
| 2026-04-26 01:43:31 jxself Boycott gnubootuser. See how silly it becomes? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:43:37 gnubootuser are we now changing the subject then rather than discuss that the fsf intentionally lists a software program written by a known pedo?????? | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:43:48 jxself Free software is about the user's freedom. Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose. It says nothing about endorsing the author's personal life. If we require moral purity tests for developers, our ecosystem collapses. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:43:54 Kolev Yeah, when you use gnubootuser code, you code with MURDERERS. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:43:54 britney gnubootuser: PCBox is endorsed by fsf? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:11 gnubootuser yes britney i checked and holy fuck it is listed here | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:30 gnubootuser i will load the page but fsf website is so slow | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:34 jxself The Free Software Directory is not an "endorsement". Is it a list of free software. There is a difference. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:43 gnubootuser https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Pcbox | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:47 jxself Evaluating the morals of the person that wrote the software is out of scope. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:44:59 gnubootuser i think it was 86box but i am corrected it is pcbox yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:12 gnubootuser i think the fsf people can delete pcbox from this page yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:31 cat9 gnubootuser: Rust ecosystem strongly favors the MIT license, and discourages GPL. This is an even bigger concern, it is poisonous to free software. See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:37 gnubootuser what if hitler will cure cancer | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:39 jxself Why? It is free software and meets the Directory's inclusion for criteria. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:46 gnubootuser will you ignore his crimes after this? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:45:50 jxself If you drive on a road that was paved by a criminal, are you defending their crimes? No, you're just using the road. The software is just infrastructure. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:07 cat9 This is why rust is being pushed so hard by big corporations, it undermines free software and promoted "open source" free labour | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:15 Kolev jxself, in fact, didn't Hitler pave some roads in Germany? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:31 jxself There are probably pedos that have contributed to GNU itself. We may never know, but statistically it's probably happened. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:32 cat9 Then all the MIT licensed rust free software is used to make proprietary corporate crap | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:43 britney BMW was Hitler's car company | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:43 gnubootuser yes lets heil hitler and also the pedo. are you fucking serious!? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:46:56 jxself gnubootuser: What do you say about that? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:21 gnubootuser but you know of a pedo program and choose to keep it | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:27 cat9 Kolev: And the MIT license is technically free. It does not mean you should use it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:33 jxself The program is a pedo? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:41 Kolev gnubootuser, if you're not vegan, I won't use your software. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:43 britney gnubootuser: i doubt he has any control over a wiki at the fsf | |
| 2026-04-26 01:47:47 gnubootuser for every intention and machination yes it is a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:00 jxself OH my. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:08 jxself britney: You'r right; I don't. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:13 britney gnubootuser: you should probably write them an e-mail and ask them nicely to remove it, im sure they would | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:24 gnubootuser however i have seen these arguments before when people say "free speech" | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:43 gnubootuser and the speaker will be a bad obviously evil man but nobody will remove him because of maybe one thing he did | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:48 gnubootuser hello ellon musk | |
| 2026-04-26 01:48:59 britney gnubootuser: billions of people use windows and bill gates went to epstein island | |
| 2026-04-26 01:49:12 Kolev What would a pedophile program even do? Refuse to work for people over the age of 12? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:49:17 gnubootuser all of the amerika government is a pedo yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:49:30 jxself I'm not talking of free speech. And wanting to keep PCBox doesn't mean I support the person that made it. It's a valid free software program. End of story. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:49:45 cat9 Kolev: Yeah, i used it for a while. Its sad to see it go | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:03 Kolev librelibrecat, used what? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:07 cat9 gnubootuser: Wait until you hear about reiserfs | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:08 jxself The FSF should not get into the business of policing the morality of those involved in free software. Free software is for everyone, even those we do not like. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:09 Kolev cat9, used what? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:16 gnubootuser i know of hans reiser yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:24 gnubootuser he murdered his wife | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:38 Kolev So reiserfs will murder you if you install it. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:39 britney cat9: i still use reiserfs, but only because i know that it'll murder any files i dont want | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:41 cat9 Kolev: You mean me? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:45 gnubootuser then all peoples stopped to use his software any longer | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:46 cat9 I used dragora | |
| 2026-04-26 01:50:51 jxself I am reminded of this: https://jxself.org/inclusion.shtml | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:00 jxself This same issue seems to be coming up. Again. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:04 Kolev cat9, oh, you're sad to see Dragora go. Yeah, that is sad. It was one of the few Original free distros. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:06 gnubootuser jxself i hope u are not a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:10 jxself I am not. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:20 gnubootuser then delete pcbox | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:27 cat9 The bigger concern with rust is the promotion of MIT licensing | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:27 britney centrists lol | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:32 Kolev gnubootuser, then go vegan. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:33 cat9 Can we k-line gnubootuser | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:33 britney gotta love em | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:37 jxself How do we achieve the mission of getting software freedom to everyone and allowing everyone to have software freedom if we kick out people we do not like? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:43 Kolev gnubootuser, GO VEGAN! | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:51:47 gnubootuser i will be a vegan if you will delete pcbox | |
| 2026-04-26 01:51:58 jxself gnubootuser: Do you have an answer to that? | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:52:01 gnubootuser and i will stop drinking wine | |
| 2026-04-26 01:52:19 gnubootuser i will become a buddhist and i will give to the poor | |
| 2026-04-26 01:52:45 britney cat9: i noticed the rust thing myself | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:00 cat9 Yeah | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:01 Kolev gnubootuser, in all seriousness, let Bad People work for us, for free. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:02 britney trifecta tech is funding a lot of GPL replacement stuff | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:14 jxself gnubootuser: I encourage you to consider https://jxself.org/inclusion.shtml | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:14 cat9 Its not always but a lot | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:19 cat9 Often hand in hand | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:21 britney uutils and sudo-rs | |
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| 2026-04-26 01:53:26 gnubootuser ok fsf then can use pedo software and i will eat all of the meat | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:33 gnubootuser is this deal accepted? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:35 cat9 So rust rewrite is often also MIT rewrite | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:45 britney cat9: yeah exactly | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:51 cat9 They trick real people with the whole "its more free than GPL!" thing | |
| 2026-04-26 01:53:56 britney trifecta tech is 100% funded by corpos | |
| 2026-04-26 01:54:14 britney https://trifectatech.org/ | |
| 2026-04-26 01:54:26 gnubootuser a pedo is us president anyway | |
| 2026-04-26 01:54:29 britney if they werent, like KDE they would have numbers | |
| 2026-04-26 01:54:31 cat9 Because on paper, sure i guess, but for what purpose? Well, you have the freedom to take the freedom respecting software and use it in a dystopian hell OS | |
| 2026-04-26 01:54:42 cat9 Look at FreeBSD | |
| 2026-04-26 01:55:10 Kolev PlayStation is FreeBSD, right? | |
| 2026-04-26 01:55:14 cat9 FreeBSD developers spent so much time and effort, and their drivers end up on apple devices where you cant even install unapproved programs onto your own computer | |
| 2026-04-26 01:55:16 britney KDE is bound by donation privacy but they list things like individual contributions vs corpo contribs | |
| 2026-04-26 01:55:19 cat9 Kolev: Yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:55:34 cat9 But some idiots really did get fooled by these people | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:04 cat9 So they willingly cuck themselves, and convince themselves its a good thing to help with constructing a surveillance nightmare | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:05 Kolev When Bad People write free software, they do free labor for the public. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:10 britney gnubootuser: the United States of Protecting Pedos | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:19 gnubootuser <jxself> gnubootuser: I encourage you to consider https://jxself.org/inclusion.shtml | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:32 gnubootuser yes jxself we will accept pedos if they write free software | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:40 britney the FBI has every man and woman searching the epstein files for trump's name while holding a black marker | |
| 2026-04-26 01:56:45 cat9 Its like "hey, i heard you need coreutils for your OS that monitors everything the user does and doesnt give them any control over it. Heres my coreutils, use this to hurt the user" | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:03 gnubootuser fsf will only promote the software and the pedo will not be normalized or empowered by any means, yes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:05 Kolev britney, black Sharpie is the official writing instrument of the White House. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:20 cat9 The MIT is dangerous. Even if original project is okay, it can be misused for evil | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:24 gnubootuser one extra line of GPL code and all is forgiven | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:31 gnubootuser yes jxself i think i understand you clearly | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:34 britney cat9: even in the best case scenario, they still cant control the device, even if it isnt full of antifeatures | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:40 jxself gnubootuser: I think you don't. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:57:53 gnubootuser jxself i will tell u what i understand | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:03 Kolev Bad People can work for us, if they follow the rules. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:09 cat9 britney: Im referring moreso to where windows is going | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:13 cat9 And where apple has been | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:15 gnubootuser you are telling me that you will ignore when a man fucks children sexually if he writes free software | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:36 gnubootuser you will use the software and you will promote the software and you will ignore that it is written by a man who has sex with children | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:45 Kolev gnubootuser, that's taken care of by the actual law. It's out of scope for ... software projects. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:50 jxself That shows you have not paid attention. Perhaps on purpose or otherwise, I'm not sure. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:51 britney cat9: ahh yeah for sure, i dont like the idea of providing free labour to corpos who dont contribute unless its to some charity they can write off on their taxes | |
| 2026-04-26 01:58:55 cat9 Imagine putting your time and effort into creating software which apple then uses to make it so people cant run their own software without paying an extortion fee | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:01 \Test_User gnubootuser: I would happily use free software written by a murderer while simultaneously putting that murderer into jail (or whatever) | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:14 britney they should at least be paying individual contributors minimum wage, but i never considered the antifeatures in this | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:21 jxself Yes, if you know someone up to pedophilia, call the law. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:33 cat9 I think thats a big reason rust is being pushed, because the community around it is big on permissive licensing | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:41 Kolev \Test_User has the right idea! Use the Bad Person for free labor, then put Bad Person in prison. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:54 gnubootuser i will build a time machine and bring hitler forward in time, and i will teach him to write linux code and then you will promote his work. | |
| 2026-04-26 01:59:56 britney cat9: canonical is pushing it hard | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:03 britney they're basically Microsoft Linux | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:05 cat9 I know rust devs myself who got fooled by it, and spend their time writing software which could be misused to hurt the user if any corporate entity wanted to | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:12 britney UbuntuOne is like a direct rip off of MS branding | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:15 jxself If Hitler's alive in our time, call the law and have him arrested. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:21 cat9 Yes, canonical is really bad. They really are | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:35 gnubootuser no jxself i paid attention and what i see is enablement of a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:43 cat9 I have always hated ubuntu for how its so mictosoft-y | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:44 britney UbuntuOne is also proprietary tech | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:46 gnubootuser even if you do not intend to enable such behavior, you still will enable it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:00:54 britney i stopped using ubuntu when they put the keylogger in | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:00 cat9 So are snaps | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:04 gnubootuser i believe jxself that you are pure and noble but i think you are extremely naive and stupid for doing so | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:08 jxself gnubootuser: No. You've repeatedly tried to twist your defense of code utility into an active endorsement of child abuse, eventually culminating in the bad-faith summary that you were saying "we will accept pedos". | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:13 gnubootuser i intend no insult but i have seen how this ends | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:21 gnubootuser you cannot separate the work from the man and vice versa | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:23 jxself It's the ultimate straw man argument. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:24 cat9 gnubootuser: i believe that you should be klined | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:31 cat9 For being a disruptive troll | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:37 Kolev gnubootuser, GO VEGAN MUTHAFUCKA | |
| 2026-04-26 02:01:39 gnubootuser jxself i will tell it this way are u ready? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:02:07 gnubootuser jxself can you use and promote emacs without ever helping or normalizing or in any way supporting richard stallman? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:02:19 gnubootuser he is the man who created the machine and i think no | |
| 2026-04-26 02:02:30 gnubootuser when you will use and develop emacs, you will help and promote richard stallman | |
| 2026-04-26 02:02:44 cat9 britney: ubuntu also has ads in terminal occasionally, and moved to sudo-rs for no reason and now uutils | |
| 2026-04-26 02:02:46 gnubootuser this is not to argue that richard stallman is bad and i have no reason to believe he is but it is the same principle yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:00 cat9 So they are very much involved with the "rewrite it in permissive licensing" movement | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:06 cat9 (thats what it really is) | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:06 Kolev I am now listening to Michael Jackson songs while using GNU Emacs. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:08 britney cat9: i've logged into an ubuntu server and the MOTD is an ad for landscape | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:17 cat9 But, the GPL licensed rust, i have very little problem with it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:24 gnubootuser if you cannot see it then i suppose i will desist but i think you are very misguided sir | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:25 cat9 But this is the exception not the norm | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:38 cat9 britney: I think you can uninstall the program doing the ads | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:46 Kolev I should check what the license for Shortwave is. I think it's GPL and written in Rust. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:53 britney yeah probably | |
| 2026-04-26 02:03:57 jxself Exactly. I don't need to talk about RMS and what he thinks and believes or does in his life to talk about "There's this program called emacs and this is what the program does..." | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:06 gnubootuser i will allow you to think of your words carefully and i hope that you will think hardly | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:23 jxself And if one were to, attaching all of emacs to RMS ignores the contributions by everyone else over the decades. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:27 Kolev Yeah, Shortwave is GPLv3+. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:32 cat9 Another problem is the "open source" adware with nonfree 'pro" version or which connects to nonfree network services | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:32 britney i would not be surprised at all if one day in the future, ubuntu becomes completely closed source | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:45 cat9 This is becoming commonplace | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:04:49 gnubootuser so jxself i will give you another thought | |
| 2026-04-26 02:04:53 gnubootuser are you ready????? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:00 jxself So to accept this argument from gnubootuser we must look at an evaluate all contributors. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:02 gnubootuser can you eat a big mac without helping promote mcdonalds? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:05 cat9 Its like a trojan horse | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:08 britney it would be the biggest rug pull in free software history | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:16 cat9 It destroys free software from the inside | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:24 gnubootuser every person can see you eating it and they know its a big mac | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:37 cat9 Everyone should remain vigilant of stuff like this | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:38 Kolev Shortwave is GPLv3+ software written in Rust. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:38 gnubootuser now they are reminded of mcdonalds and now they will eat one too because they were hungry | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:45 britney jxself: i think you are both jumping to extremes | |
| 2026-04-26 02:05:49 cat9 Pay attention to what happens to the software you use | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:06 cat9 Kolev: Well thats good, but trying to advertise it through terminal is bad | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:27 gnubootuser we are humans and because we are humans we are not perfect | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:29 Kolev cat9, terminal? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:44 gnubootuser i think in a fully logical planet we will separate the man from the work but humans will not | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:58 gnubootuser i think that the two are inexorably intertwined indeed, sir | |
| 2026-04-26 02:06:58 Kolev cat9, your text comes to me inside a GTK program called Gajim. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:11 jxself britney: The point I'm trying to make is we should not try to conflate the issues of software freedom with other issues. As important as those may be be they're out of scope of free software. This is the Free Software Foundation not the Anti-McDonald's Foundation. Not the Anti-Gun Foundation. Not the whatever else foundation. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:15 gnubootuser but i have said what i believe and you will agree or you will disagree and i will eat the big mac now | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:16 britney jxself: i dont think anyone wants a full audit of every contributor or project but if you become aware of something sketchy then perhaps distance is a good idea | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:17 \Test_User gnubootuser: the person is not the crime. as a matter of fact, promoting the positive actions of "bad people" can easily be a good thing, rather than just cutting them off and leaving them with only bad open to them. see also hiring ex-convicts | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:32 cat9 britney said: the motd is an ad for landscape | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:39 cat9 Oh shortwave not landscape | |
| 2026-04-26 02:07:49 Kolev \Test_User is based. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:08:20 gnubootuser i have lived in places where this shit is normal and so i have a different idea for how i believe humans behave | |
| 2026-04-26 02:08:21 britney jxself: think of it from a liability standpoint | |
| 2026-04-26 02:08:48 britney do you want to send users to a project that has a discord channel where they might get abused by the owner | |
| 2026-04-26 02:08:50 jxself I am not liable for crimes committed by other people. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:08:59 gnubootuser sorry kolev but i am not being vegan for you | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:06 britney i wouldnt | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:10 jxself Take their software, and leave discord behind. It's proprietary anyway. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:14 britney even if im not legally liable, i would feel like shit | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:18 Kolev gnubootuser, then you are a MURDERER and nobody should use your software! | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:32 britney i wouldnt want kids clicking a link in the fsf directory to direct them to harm | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:39 gnubootuser yes kolev i already accepted to killing men and i eat babies. what's your argument? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:09:51 jxself Someone you don't know probably did something bad. By this logic you must feel bad each day? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:08 britney no but i wouldnt direct them to a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:10 jxself You're not legally liable of course. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:48 gnubootuser if a program is to become commercially operated or used in an education context then the author has more power and now they can do more things | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:50 jxself You're not directing anyone to the person. To the software. Doing a git clone or a wget requires no interaction with the person. Or support of them. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:57 gnubootuser this is especially correct if they make money | |
| 2026-04-26 02:10:57 britney right but i dont care if im not legally liable | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:06 britney the link on the directory goes to https://pcbox-emu.xyz/ | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:14 britney that website says support is offered on discord | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:17 gnubootuser the software that we discuss indeed has such potential | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:26 britney that discord has a pedo there grooming kids | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:35 jxself They shouldn't use Discord because it's proprietary. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:37 gnubootuser are you willing to assume the risk of allowing such a person to gain power? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:38 britney so i would have an issue sending people there even if i was fine | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:41 jxself So stay away from Discord. :) | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:55 jxself It's proprietary junk. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:11:57 britney jxself: is it free software if they have to use discord to get support? | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:12:23 Kolev You can get support from {distro}. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:31 cat9 Theres way too many scandals and awful people to care about what all of them do. Use the software if its good, otherwise dont | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:42 britney right but once you know | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:45 jxself Yes. The software still has the 4 freedoms. Nothing in the 4 freedoms says the software even has to be supported at all. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:48 gnubootuser jxself i am sad today even if i understand you | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:49 britney you're aiding if you dont do anything about it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:58 jxself gnubootuser: I don't think you do understand me. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:12:58 cat9 Yeah i just dont care what the creator does | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:01 gnubootuser i now will ask myself questions about gnu itself | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:03 cat9 Its software | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:13:24 cat9 If they do something illegal the police handle it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:31 cat9 Problem solved | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:31 gnubootuser are you aware that pcbox is not free software at all? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:33 Kolev Go to {distro} for {program} support. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:13:39 cat9 Then they serve their sentence | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:14:03 gnubootuser while we were talking, i looked at the project and they give non-free bios to use in the emulator | |
| 2026-04-26 02:14:09 gnubootuser this is also true for 86box | |
| 2026-04-26 02:14:17 britney this is really bizarre | |
| 2026-04-26 02:14:33 jxself If the emulators need non-free software to be able to boot then that could be a reason to disqualify them from inclusion in the Free Software Directory. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:14:34 gnubootuser even if i will morally accept that the fsf will defend a pedo project, i can question the competence of such an institution | |
| 2026-04-26 02:15:18 britney im kind of shaken to my core to be honest | |
| 2026-04-26 02:15:29 cat9 Im not supportive of social punishments. People should be criminally punished for the crimes they do. Witchhunts are harassment, then youre no better than them | |
| 2026-04-26 02:15:30 gnubootuser just look at the github pages for both projects and you will find a page containing proprietary bios firmware | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:15:48 Kolev \Test_User has a based view of things. Less dramatic. More peaceful. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:15:55 britney thats the other weird thing | |
| 2026-04-26 02:15:57 cat9 A lot of people will pretend they care about the immoral/illegal thing going on as an excuse to bully | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:03 gnubootuser i will show you then jxself | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:12 britney github is as proprietary as a distro with a non-free repo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:19 gnubootuser https://github.com/86Box/roms | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:24 jxself I suspect it was somehow missed; I don't know - I can only speculate. But it would be best to report it to the mailing list. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:27 gnubootuser https://github.com/pcbox/roms | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:32 cat9 britney: That reminds me | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:34 gnubootuser absolutely proprietary yes? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:43 jxself I think I answered above. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:16:48 cat9 I should ask forgejo to label their javascript for libreJS | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:08 gnubootuser now will u delete the pedo? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:18 Kolev cat9, or better yet, submit a patch to integrate LibreJS with Forĝejo. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:25 jxself I have no control over the Directory. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:31 jxself So don't be asking me. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:37 jxself I don't work for FSF or do anything. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:45 gnubootuser i think it is comically absurd that this should be the impotus for such an action, as opposed to the mere fact that the AUTHOR IS A PAEDOPHILE, but you do u, sir | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:54 jxself I've already suggested to send it to the mailing list about the ROMS. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:55 britney gnubootuser: we are all just internet randos | |
| 2026-04-26 02:17:58 cat9 Kolev: Will do soon | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:05 britney i doubt anyone from the fsf is here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:13 cat9 Do you mean, a patch to librejs? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:30 gnubootuser i am a free software defender but the code alone is not all that matters is it? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:31 cat9 Or patch to forgejo to flag it as gplv3 to librejs | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:46 Kolev cat9, I mean if you want to make Forĝejo LibreJS-compliant, modify Forĝejo to emit LibreJS-friendly code. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:18:49 gnubootuser we must watch carefully the persons involved and we must ensure that we do not enable such toxic poison | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:19:24 jxself Everyone will probably find something to object to though. And they may not all be about the same issue. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:19:29 gnubootuser no man is perfect. i believe allowing meat eaters is ok even though yes, i am a vegetarian myself. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:19:32 britney its a weird bit of logic that is hurting my brain | |
| 2026-04-26 02:19:55 gnubootuser meat eaters don't fuck kids | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:02 jxself gnubootuser: But other people would believe allowing meat eaters is not okay. So what makes your view right and theirs wrong? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:04 gnubootuser well maybe some of them will | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:04 britney corpos are bad for free software, but we shouldnt ignore them | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:12 britney but ignore everyone else thats bad for free software | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:20:21 gnubootuser i say pedos and nazis will be banned | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:22 Kolev Can't we all just get along? I don't agree with a lot of people, but I'll still use their software. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:33 gnubootuser we must not promote projects written by nazis and pedos | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:34 jxself I suspect gnubootuser has no answer. :) | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:53 gnubootuser this is literally the minimal fucking bar of human decency in my opinion, but you will of course do as you beliieve to be correct | |
| 2026-04-26 02:20:59 britney i wont use xlibre because the author thinks winston churchill should be charged with war crimes for defending england from hitler | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:14 Kolev gnubootuser, being VEGAN is the moral minimum. If you're not vegan, your software shouldn't be used. Period. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:15 gnubootuser yes britney i read that on the devuan list in 2018 and was horrified | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:27 gnubootuser i was a fan of devuan way back but then i see that they are nazis | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:43 gnubootuser my great grandparentts were murdered by nazis | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:48 britney i dont think devuan supports that though | |
| 2026-04-26 02:21:53 britney they probably banned him | |
| 2026-04-26 02:22:05 britney i know linus banned him for that stuff | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:22:16 gnubootuser no there was a photo of them carrying torches and chanting nazi bullshit | |
| 2026-04-26 02:22:31 gnubootuser this was near the same time of the USA charlotsville riots | |
| 2026-04-26 02:22:32 britney pics or it didnt happen | |
| 2026-04-26 02:22:48 gnubootuser there was like, a whole thing yeah | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:23:22 gnubootuser jxself will you promote xlibre? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:24:08 gnubootuser you can find neo nazis on xlibre github issues and they say regularly the antisemetic dogma | |
| 2026-04-26 02:24:18 Kolev I don't use anything named X. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:24:29 gnubootuser you will find that this is big news in 2025 and people resisted using it because of that | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:24:45 gnubootuser however i would predict that you might defend xlibre because it is free software even when you know the author is a nazi | |
| 2026-04-26 02:25:15 gnubootuser and i can show you the posts. the xlibre author posted classic neo-nazi propaganda positively on the devuan mailing list in 2018. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:25:21 Kolev I'm Jewish and I use IBM software, and IBM provided infra to the Nazis during the Shoa. | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:25:34 gnubootuser according to you, his software is valid even if he is a nazi. otherwise you must reject pcbox too. it is the same logic. | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:26:24 gnubootuser i consider myself an ally to lgbt and jews though i am an old man myself | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:26:41 gnubootuser i must therefore reject such projects (and wayland is the better program anyway) | |
| 2026-04-26 02:27:08 Kolev But Wayland is pioneered by Red Hat, an IBM subsidiary. IBM participated in the Shoa. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:27:44 Kolev IBM supported the Nazis. IBM owns Red Hat. Red Hat pioneers Wayland. If you click on Wayland, you click with Nazis. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:28:23 jxself gnubootuser, you are arguing against a point I never made. I support software freedom. Equating using software with endorsing a crime or a person is a classic straw man argument. If you want to believe that compiling a program is the same as endorsing a crime, you are free to do so, I'm done with this topic. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:28:28 gnubootuser ibm and red hat do not control wayland | |
| 2026-04-26 02:28:48 Kolev gnubootuser, but you must reject Red Hat contributions. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:28:57 gnubootuser it is an open specification with varying implementations many of which are developed by trans people and furries so no kolev no sir you are not winning my approval | |
| 2026-04-26 02:29:53 Kolev gnubootuser, wow, so gay people are writing Nazi protocols into software, by your logic. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:30:04 gnubootuser yes they are gay nazis | |
| 2026-04-26 02:30:48 britney i just wouldn't send someone to a website with a known pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:30:49 Kolev I'm about to retire for bed. I hope everyone has a good night. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:31:04 gnubootuser sleep well comrade | |
| 2026-04-26 02:31:40 britney Kolev: goodnight | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:32:59 cat9 gnubootuser: has to be a troll | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:33:28 cat9 Nazi pedo sexist racist bla bla bla, do you do anything else? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:33:38 gnubootuser you call someone concerned about the normalisation and enablement of pedophilia a troll? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:33:44 cat9 All youve done here is stir up trouble | |
| 2026-04-26 02:33:55 gnubootuser no shit | |
| 2026-04-26 02:33:58 cat9 Not a single message otherwise | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:01 gnubootuser trouble is earned | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:02 Kolev out_of_scope(); | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:07 cat9 You should be klined | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:34:24 Kolev kline(gnubootuser); // lol | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:31 cat9 If there are racist sexist nazi pedo xenophobes here, at least they arent causing a ruckus | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:37 gnubootuser i should be klined for criticising the intentional defense, normalization and enablement of a known pedo? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:34:39 cat9 Same cannot be said for you | |
| 2026-04-26 02:35:13 cat9 No, you should be klined for babbling on about offtopic nonsense in the fsf channel | |
| 2026-04-26 02:35:27 cat9 Go elsewhere for your crusades, it doesnt belong here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:35:37 cat9 Clearly all you want to do is witchhunt | |
| 2026-04-26 02:35:49 cat9 Youre not any better than those youre causing a ruckus over in my book | |
| 2026-04-26 02:36:14 Kolev I'm a gay furry vegan Jew, and I agree with cat9. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:36:27 cat9 I dont even know who this pcbox pedo youre talking about is | |
| 2026-04-26 02:36:40 gnubootuser i am criticizing that a leading member of gnu (Jason Self, GNU Advisory Committee) is directly acknowledging that a project the FSF promotes is maintained by a known pedophile, and defending said pedophile, yes. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:36:41 cat9 Yet youve been going on about it for ages | |
| 2026-04-26 02:36:48 gnubootuser if you tthink that's trolling, then maybe u r a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:18 cat9 Bruh | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:19 britney its not offtopic, this is a complaint about the fsf directory, but it should probably be on the mailing list | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:23 cat9 This guy | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:35 cat9 "complaint" | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:40 gnubootuser and it is on-topic because it pertains to a project, by said pedophile, that is also revealed to actually be non-free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:45 cat9 Its someone who wants to stir up a commotion | |
| 2026-04-26 02:37:59 gnubootuser pcbox (the pedo project) and 86box (that pcbox is forked from) both contain non-free bios roms | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:01 cat9 I dont like evil people either but that doesnt belong here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:20 cat9 And witchhunts dont help | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:23 gnubootuser they are therefore on-topic for discussion in #fsf, on the basis that they must be removed from the tthe FSD for this reason alone | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:25 * Kolev sips sparkling water. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:35 britney mailing list, yes but outside of this gnubootuser, i did see a video on mastodon a while back | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:36 cat9 So instead of debating people here and hurling accusations, calmly file a complaint | |
| 2026-04-26 02:38:41 gnubootuser however, i do believe it to be righteous and fair that i criticize the fsf | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:05 britney i agree | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:08 Kolev gnubootuser, you vegan yet? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:09 gnubootuser i have been told, by a man who is a leading member of the gnu project, that it is ok to defend a project known to be maintained by a pedo, so long as said software is free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:27 gnubootuser this was before i revealed, after further study, that said program is non-free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:32 britney its the free software foundation | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:41 gnubootuser Kolev i don't care for your question and it is not relevant but i am a vegetarian | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:55 Kolev gnubootuser, then you are immoral. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:56 gnubootuser i don't see how this is relevant | |
| 2026-04-26 02:39:57 britney thats all they should care about | |
| 2026-04-26 02:40:08 britney but once something is brought to their attention, im sure they would remove it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:40:22 britney just do it properly | |
| 2026-04-26 02:40:30 \Test_User isf: regarding US banks: signup: doable in-person, usage for online transactions: doable (card numbers, no need for phone verification); atms are still a thing, deposits/etc in-person doable. misc account configuration is prob doable in-person but I can't personally confirm (also may depend on which bank) | |
| 2026-04-26 02:40:31 gnubootuser i question gnu's moral authority, after today's discussion | |
| 2026-04-26 02:40:50 gnubootuser call me a troll if you will, but i started this conversation with the best possible intention and i am completely appalled by the responses i've seen | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:41:15 britney it is a bit bizarre tbh but i dont think fsf people are in here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:41:19 britney am i wrong? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:41:21 gnubootuser i've been using gnu software for a long time and now i start to think maybe i'm in the wrong crowd yeah?? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:41:31 Kolev \Test_User, I go to the ATM and go in-person to the bank. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:41:33 gnubootuser right?? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:41:44 gnubootuser r u serious | |
| 2026-04-26 02:42:05 gnubootuser this is the exact shit why bad people get away with doing bad things | |
| 2026-04-26 02:42:25 gnubootuser it's because naive peoples like yourselves will defend or ignore such things, so long as it doesn't affect them, and they do other nice things | |
| 2026-04-26 02:42:43 cat9 "however, i do believe it to be righteous and fair that i criticize the fsf" | |
| 2026-04-26 02:42:51 cat9 Maybe you can start the gnubootuserSF | |
| 2026-04-26 02:43:11 Kolev I'm going to start the VEGAN Software Foundation. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:43:13 cat9 Where you carefully curate your list of affiliated projects and micromanage them to ensure theyre all to your taste | |
| 2026-04-26 02:43:14 gnubootuser in america you have "free speech" for this reason, and then thugs will march the streets shouting "jews will not replace us", and the presidentt will directly address them in a debate for his reelection | |
| 2026-04-26 02:43:23 gnubootuser "proud boys, stand back and stand by" -- Donald Trump | |
| 2026-04-26 02:43:49 gnubootuser the leader of proud boys (a neo-nazi group) responded to this posting a photo of his guns, with the caption "standing by, sir" | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:03 cat9 "I question gnus moral authority after todays discussion" | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:07 cat9 Then leave, please leave | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:09 gnubootuser then jan6 shit happens. krystalnacht america edition | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:16 gnubootuser literally krystalnacht | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:35 cat9 And youre appalled by the responses. Amazing. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:44 gnubootuser and jxself is doing the same fucking bullshit i have seen since i be alive | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:48 cat9 Youre in #fsf btw | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:52 cat9 Going on about american politics | |
| 2026-04-26 02:44:54 cat9 Incredible | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:01 gnubootuser i give this example to prove a point | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:03 Kolev Yeah, this is off-topic. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:10 gnubootuser the fsf is an american institution | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:11 cat9 Nobody cares about this BS here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:27 cat9 Take your annoying politics elsewhere | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:39 gnubootuser who are you? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:43 cat9 If you have a complaint, file it in some official manner | |
| 2026-04-26 02:45:53 gnubootuser what authority do you have to tell me what to do? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:46:10 cat9 I can? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:46:17 cat9 lol | |
| 2026-04-26 02:46:30 cat9 I have all the authority. Im the boss around here | |
| 2026-04-26 02:46:45 -- gnubootuser is now known as freesoftwareuser | |
| 2026-04-26 02:46:52 freesoftwareuser thank you then | |
| 2026-04-26 02:47:37 -- freesoftwareuser is now known as someoldguy | |
| 2026-04-26 02:47:54 someoldguy yeah, if you guys like pedos so much, then fuck you guys. i aint carrying your name. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:48:22 cat9 "someoldguy" yet acts like a 12 year old | |
| 2026-04-26 02:48:35 cat9 Youre literally throwing a temper tantrum lol | |
| 2026-04-26 02:48:37 britney old people often do | |
| 2026-04-26 02:48:48 someoldguy i have all the time in the world my friend | |
| 2026-04-26 02:48:50 Kolev cat9, I think that does some 12yos a disservice. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:49:13 cat9 Yeah true | |
| 2026-04-26 02:49:29 someoldguy i suppose u would know about 12 year olds | |
| 2026-04-26 02:50:01 Kolev I don't. I'm quite the old man. I don't even know about 22yos. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:50:05 cat9 Because I dont want to hear your witchhunting? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:50:43 cat9 Its annoying. Simple as. Theres a way to go about making complaints and you are way out of line | |
| 2026-04-26 02:50:50 Kolev 22yos are into Tiktok and Nintendo Switch and Snapchat. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:51:05 someoldguy witchhunting a known pedo yes, and criticizing the unwillingness here to denounce said pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:51:12 cat9 Honestly would not be surprised if you yourself are a troll who doesnt actually hold any of the beliefs you say you do | |
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| 2026-04-26 02:51:26 cat9 You act like that | |
| 2026-04-26 02:51:31 someoldguy it was argued here, today, that promoting a known pedo's work is morally acceptable so long as it comes under the GNU GPL | |
| 2026-04-26 02:51:56 cat9 Yeah of course it is | |
| 2026-04-26 02:51:58 cat9 Its software | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:02 cat9 What are you on about | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:10 britney there was a confession video | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:15 britney i cant find it though | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:18 someoldguy lol yeah let me find it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:25 someoldguy it was leah rowe who posted it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:33 cat9 If you wanted to boycott every piece of software made by someone you might come to find you dont like, youll end up using your own custom operating system | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:37 someoldguy i have my own beef with her but hold on | |
| 2026-04-26 02:52:56 cat9 Hell, youll probably be on your own custom riscv cpu running that custom operating system | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:12 britney i saw it months ago so i know what the concern trolling is about, its a legit thing | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:25 cat9 But thats not a realistic approach to things, at all | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:30 someoldguy she did not post the full videos, but she was friends with the pcbox author | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:42 someoldguy she denounced pcbox after learning that the author is a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:49 cat9 britney: i still dont see the problem. Reiserfs is still in the kernel, and its made by a convicted murderer | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:56 someoldguy she published pcbox's confession here, thus revealing to the world: | |
| 2026-04-26 02:53:58 someoldguy https://mas.to/@libreleah/114607733244403715 | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:04 cat9 Cant get much worse than that | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:10 someoldguy i congratulate leah for such an act, even if i think her libreboot is non-free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:17 britney cat9: reiserfs was different, his employees took it over and it actually was removed eventually | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:32 someoldguy she did the community a service, by telling everyone that her former friend is a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:36 britney its not like pcbox was taken over by someone else | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:36 cat9 Its named after reiser | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:43 cat9 And it was only removed a couple months ago | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:50 someoldguy watch that video. and i will post it again: https://mas.to/@libreleah/114607733244403715 | |
| 2026-04-26 02:54:56 cat9 They didnt rename it or anything | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:02 someoldguy there is a telephone conversation here: | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:04 cat9 So no i dont see it as any different | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:11 cat9 I think all this is very petty | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:11 someoldguy https://mas.to/@libreleah/114633619823589785 | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:17 cat9 Childish | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:33 britney gross | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:36 someoldguy in the conversation, which lasts 15 minutes, the pcbox author is pleading with leah not to call the cops. which leah does, as revealed in the posts. she reported the pedo to the FBI | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:40 britney i forgot about that | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:51 someoldguy cat9: and jxself has today, sttated that promoting pcbox on the fsf wiki is ok, so long as the software is free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:55:55 cat9 Regardless of what the dev did, i dont care, it has nothing to do with the software | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:02 cat9 That makes no sense at all to me | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:05 someoldguy watch the video, and listen to that audio conversation, in the post i linked | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:07 cat9 someoldguy: Well yeah | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:09 Kolev Yep. It's time for bed. | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:16 someoldguy and tell me again if you still think it's ok to promote such a project by the FSF | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:18 cat9 So whats wrong with the software? | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:30 someoldguy i am truly disgusted and i hope jxself will see morality | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:34 cat9 Its software | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:36 britney im not telling the fsf what to do, i just wouldnt link to PCBox | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:43 cat9 And it is freely licensed | |
| 2026-04-26 02:56:49 someoldguy morality is not only the GPL you know. morality is more than just a fucking software license | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:01 cat9 This is not morality, this is pointless witchhunt | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:03 someoldguy i'm a free software activist for years and i use GNU every day! but i will not help nazis or pedos | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:17 someoldguy if i learn that a program i like is maintained by such a person, i will delete it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:18 cat9 You can do that in your own time, but do not ask the FSF to help you out with it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:34 cat9 The question is only about the software | |
| 2026-04-26 02:57:40 cat9 It does not matter who made it | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:00 cat9 If it was made by a convicted murderer, no problem still, as long as its free | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:21 cat9 Now, personally i would not be friends with someone like that, but thats a separate matter | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:22 britney i dont think the problematic thing is the license, its the fact that the authors site has proprietary discord and you go there and the dev is grooming kids | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:31 * Kolev formats his disk with reiserfs while listening to Michael Jackson songs | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:32 britney i wouldnt want to accidentally end up on that server | |
| 2026-04-26 02:58:43 britney then have the FBI come knocking on my door | |
| 2026-04-26 02:59:00 cat9 FSF should not link to the discord then | |
| 2026-04-26 02:59:12 cat9 Or GNU, on the free software directory | |
| 2026-04-26 02:59:23 cat9 Linking to the git repository, i dont see the problem | |
| 2026-04-26 03:00:09 cat9 "then have the FBI come knocking on my door" well thats not a very likely scenario | |
| 2026-04-26 03:00:43 cat9 And is the authors site linked to on the git repository which is attached on gnu site? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:01:52 cat9 Obviously if what youre saying is true, its very bad. I am very much against these moralistic witchhunts though. I think instead you should report this matter to the FBI or other relevant authorities and have them handle it, thats it | |
| 2026-04-26 03:02:17 cat9 Since its on discord, you should already know this is a proprietary platform and should not be used | |
| 2026-04-26 03:02:32 britney apparently it was | |
| 2026-04-26 03:02:44 britney im just saying *I* wouldn't link to it | |
| 2026-04-26 03:04:11 cat9 Oh qeeg | |
| 2026-04-26 03:04:21 someoldguy and it was *you* who claimed that i am on a witchhunt | |
| 2026-04-26 03:04:26 someoldguy these are your own words | |
| 2026-04-26 03:04:30 cat9 I know this person. Yeah, i always knew they were quite strange | |
| 2026-04-26 03:04:38 cat9 Not very surprised | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:00 cat9 Yes, i believe you are on a witchhunt. I dont think this is something that should be brought up here | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:02 someoldguy if actions taken with the intent of removing pedophiles from our communities is to be considered witchhunting, then i will burn every last fucking witch with great glee | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:06 cat9 Then you go on and on about politics | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:08 someoldguy understood? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:16 cat9 American politics, no less | |
| 2026-04-26 03:05:54 cat9 Theres a right way to go about getting these things handled and you did it the wrong way | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:06 britney is it really a witchhunt if the witch confessed | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:09 someoldguy the example i gave was alluding to the parallel in how fascists gain power due to willfull ignorance, in direct connection with jxself's arguments in defense of pcbox | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:17 cat9 Then you went on to start an unproductive debate gere | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:21 someoldguy i could have just as easily referenced the politics of austria, my home country | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:25 someoldguy what's your point? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:45 britney whats the saying | |
| 2026-04-26 03:06:56 someoldguy something about a duck i think | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:05 someoldguy an ambulatory duck, right? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:20 cat9 My point is that you stirred up drama here, which is a bad thing | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:24 britney if there are 9 Nazis at a table and you sit with them, you have 10 Nazis | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:37 someoldguy same as what i thought: if it walks like a duck.... | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:44 someoldguy and eats dinner with nazis.... | |
| 2026-04-26 03:07:47 someoldguy then it's probably a nazi duck | |
| 2026-04-26 03:08:39 britney lol | |
| 2026-04-26 03:08:44 britney that would be a funny cartoon | |
| 2026-04-26 03:09:01 someoldguy well disney did make cartoons for the nazis and i do think one of them had a duck | |
| 2026-04-26 03:09:03 cat9 I think maybe we should just not talk about the pedos/nazis here, how about that | |
| 2026-04-26 03:09:30 cat9 Its not appropriate | |
| 2026-04-26 03:09:48 someoldguy unless they maintain your favourite emulator and/or xserver, and then they are ok, right? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:10:19 someoldguy because free software | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:00 [ <cat9> Noisytoot: It has memory unsafety | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:06 cat9 "then they are ok" what? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:08 [ Like? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:20 cat9 no, the software is okay | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:29 cat9 Software doesnt have feelings or opinions | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:32 cat9 Its code | |
| 2026-04-26 03:11:40 cat9 Maybe it has bugs | |
| 2026-04-26 03:12:01 cat9 The concerns with software are, is it maintained, does it do its job, etc | |
| 2026-04-26 03:12:22 [ Apart from bugs and unsafe, what memory unsafety does Rust have? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:12:43 [ (and no, /proc/self/mem does not count) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:02 cat9 someoldguy: also bringing up nazis is like bringing up taxes | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:11 britney we were speaking of food earlier | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:34 britney im flexitarian, not cuz i dont enjoy eating animals but cuz its cheaper to eat plants vs meat | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:43 cat9 I mean dont you ever get tired of this stuff | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:57 britney i use the pro abortion argument for eating eggs, its just a clump of cells | |
| 2026-04-26 03:13:59 britney its not a chicken | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:06 someoldguy adolf hitler was a vegetarian | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:20 britney and back to the nazis | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:24 britney jeez | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:35 cat9 Im starting to question maybe you are the nazi, because you love talking about him so much | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:52 cat9 I mean me, i dont want to talk about the nazis because its such a depressing period | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:56 cat9 But this is what i mean | |
| 2026-04-26 03:14:56 Kolev And they love talking about pedophilia so much. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:15:10 cat9 You love to fill your mind with the image of nazis and holocaust and genocide | |
| 2026-04-26 03:15:18 cat9 Kolev: That too | |
| 2026-04-26 03:15:30 cat9 I mean seriously, dont you see how tiring this is? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:15:47 cat9 Nobody wants to hear this shit | |
| 2026-04-26 03:16:19 cat9 You would think that in fsf irc channel we can talk about free software | |
| 2026-04-26 03:16:23 cat9 But no, how foolish I was | |
| 2026-04-26 03:16:39 britney someoldguy: can you show me on the doll where the nazis touched you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:16:50 cat9 Because some dipshit has to come in and ramble on and on about hitler and pedophiles. How joyful. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:17:10 cat9 So yes, thats my problem with you here | |
| 2026-04-26 03:18:09 someoldguy while highlighting that Jason Self, a leader within the GNU Advisory Committee, publicly defended a pedophile vicariously by defending the work created by one, refusing to acknowledge said pedophilia, and merely demanding that the software be free, drawing parallel to how nazis also become normalized, yes. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:18:27 someoldguy it happened right here in this channel | |
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| 2026-04-26 03:19:03 cat9 Yeah i dont want to hear about this shit | |
| 2026-04-26 03:19:06 Kolev cat9, do you go to the bank in person to avoid using their software? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:19:18 someoldguy and elucidating clearly that people seem to have no problem with xlibre either, for the same reason; despite it being maintained by a known nazi, it's free software and thus considered ok in this channel. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:19:19 cat9 Its doom and gloom depressing | |
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| 2026-04-26 03:20:50 cat9 I dont use a bank, I keep all my money under my mattress | |
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| 2026-04-26 03:22:40 someoldguy oh have i been educated today, yes. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:22:42 Ariadne what even is all of this | |
| 2026-04-26 03:23:10 britney its very bizarre | |
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| 2026-04-26 03:23:28 someoldguy Ariadne: pedo sympthasing in #fsf is what this is all about | |
| 2026-04-26 03:23:39 someoldguy it's... yeah it's cooked, man | |
| 2026-04-26 03:23:42 someoldguy shit's cooked | |
| 2026-04-26 03:23:55 cat9 No i just want you to shut up lol | |
| 2026-04-26 03:23:59 cat9 Its annoying | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:03 someoldguy these people are fucking insane | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:03 cat9 Refer to above message | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:17 britney im just insane | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:18 cat9 Hitler this pedophile that bla bla bla on and on | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:21 britney im not fucking insane | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:34 cat9 Do you find this enjoyable to talk about or something? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:43 cat9 Is this what brings you joy in life | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:50 cat9 Talking about nazis and pedophiles every fucking day | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:53 someoldguy britney i say with autthority that you're the most insane motherfuckker of them all | |
| 2026-04-26 03:24:55 cat9 Jesus christ | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:07 britney what | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:10 cat9 And its all youve done here | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:17 britney i didnt say that | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:28 cat9 And its extremely extremely obnoxious | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:29 Ariadne I'm not stoned enough for this level of trolling | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:47 cat9 And if you consider that pedo apologism then fuck you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:52 cat9 I dont give a shit | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:53 someoldguy yes i do | |
| 2026-04-26 03:25:58 someoldguy you are a pedo apologist | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:02 someoldguy so is jxself | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:13 someoldguy and probably the entire fsf ngl if this shit is normalized here | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:24 cat9 Because i dont want to hear your moral crusade, even if its against the most evil person on earth. I dont want to hear about them in any capacity, actually | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:43 britney i dont think anyone here can remove a link from the fsf directory | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:54 cat9 And so i dont see how youre any better than them, youre like free promotion for the pedophile | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:55 Kolev cat9, you use a mattress bank? Brave. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:26:58 someoldguy yeah ur neutral. and neutrality is the same as siding with evil. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:10 cat9 I wouldnt have been made aware of what this weirdo did but now i am thanks to you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:10 someoldguy did you know that? it's a common wisdom taught in anti-fascist movements. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:18 cat9 So yes, thats what i have a problem with | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:21 someoldguy not that i should be at all surprised. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:23 cat9 Its not neutral you fucking moron | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:36 cat9 I just dont wanna hear your babbling you dumbfuck | |
| 2026-04-26 03:27:44 cat9 Jesus | |
| 2026-04-26 03:28:01 britney someoldguy: you are now Dumbfuck Jesus | |
| 2026-04-26 03:28:11 cat9 Wah wah pedo pedo pedo PLEASE be quiet. Every day its some new bullshit from a moron like you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:28:11 someoldguy exposing the fact that one of GNU's leaders willingly defends the work of a pedo is not babbling | |
| 2026-04-26 03:28:45 Kolev They would do this on a Saturday night when no staff are around. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:28:49 cat9 Some new debate. Some new person who did bad things (and yeah, they did, but this is the FSF CHANNEL and i really dont wanna hear about it!!) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:29:04 someoldguy it is an expression of grave concern that should probably be taken far more seriously (and only you are making this objection btw, i haven't seen anyone else here earnestly say anything to or against any of this stuff, so what authority are you anyway) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:29:37 someoldguy Kolev: jxself is staff | |
| 2026-04-26 03:29:41 cat9 Its all so exhausting | |
| 2026-04-26 03:29:50 someoldguy he has operator privileges in this channel, and authority within the entire GNU project. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:06 someoldguy that's no small potatoes | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:12 cat9 I really hope that when jxself wakes up he bans you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:18 cat9 Because you are so annoying | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:23 Kolev jxself, if he does have ops here, has so much mercy. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:34 someoldguy maybe the fsf will ban him, to save their wretched hydes | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:35 cat9 Youre no better than the nazis because youre constantly bringing them up | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:42 someoldguy i don't care what happens to me | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:46 someoldguy aftter today, i'm done | |
| 2026-04-26 03:30:51 cat9 Youre like free promotion | |
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| 2026-04-26 03:31:03 someoldguy i will have sex with my wife and visit my grandchildren | |
| 2026-04-26 03:31:19 someoldguy and i will forget that you exist | |
| 2026-04-26 03:31:22 cat9 Honestly im not surprised if you liked the holocaust solely because it gave you something to talk about | |
| 2026-04-26 03:31:34 cat9 Same with this pedo stuff | |
| 2026-04-26 03:31:52 cat9 Theres something severely wrong with you | |
| 2026-04-26 03:32:51 someoldguy i call into question jxself's place in gnu, after today. and will be reporting him to the fsf. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:32:56 Kolev cat9, aren't you worried about mattress money losing value by just sitting there? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:00 Ariadne the world is quite fucked up right now (frankly understatement of the century) and people are spending our time trolling on IRC rather than doing something constructive, it's so boring | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:01 cat9 I know people just like you, and its pretty obvious you just enjoy making a fuss. You dont actually care | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:11 cat9 Kolev: No, i put it into gold bars | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:36 Kolev cat9, that would work. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:49 cat9 It does | |
| 2026-04-26 03:33:58 cat9 And its free as in freedom | |
| 2026-04-26 03:34:06 cat9 My mattress is entirely free software | |
| 2026-04-26 03:34:21 Kolev cat9, gold bars also make it hard to spend your money, so you're pressured to save it. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:34:27 * Ariadne wonders how debating whether qeeg is a pedophile or not benefits software freedom | |
| 2026-04-26 03:34:51 cat9 We arent debating if he is or not | |
| 2026-04-26 03:34:58 cat9 Pretty obvious they are | |
| 2026-04-26 03:35:24 someoldguy ariadne that's not the debate. the controversy is that jxself would not condemn pcbox; he even went so far as to defend pcbox, on the basis that it is free software, regardless of the author | |
| 2026-04-26 03:35:31 cat9 But it doesnt belong here, and im very much annoyed by it being brought up here | |
| 2026-04-26 03:35:32 Ariadne (I am aware of some moderation incidents involving them however I haven't any idea what they have to do with FSF.) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:35:57 cat9 Kolev: exactly. Another bonus. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:24 someoldguy leah wasn't the first to expose pcbox's author for being a pedo either | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:31 Ariadne someoldguy: so what? everyone does the art vs artist thing | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:38 someoldguy pcbox exists because its author was banned from 86box discord for grooming minors | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:41 cat9 Ariadne: someoldguy is upset that its on the FSF free software list and sees it as endorsement | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:58 Ariadne someoldguy: also treehouse for the same reason | |
| 2026-04-26 03:36:58 Kolev cat9, I'd like to start saving in gold. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:37:21 someoldguy what do you mean ariadne | |
| 2026-04-26 03:37:26 someoldguy i have no idea what treehouse is | |
| 2026-04-26 03:37:42 Ariadne another community she is banned from | |
| 2026-04-26 03:37:44 cat9 Then called the admin here a pedo for saying this has nothing to do with the software itself (it doesnt) and that the FSF free software list isnt endorsement | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:02 someoldguy ok so it's some forum or something | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:11 cat9 Then someoldguy went on and on about american politics, hitler, pedophiles, and a bunch more crap | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:20 cat9 All of which _does not belong here_ | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:52 someoldguy drawing parallels to american politics normalizing fascism and comparing that to hitler, stating that the psychology enabling such evils is the same psychology jxself used to defend pcbox yes | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:53 Ariadne yes we have established he is trolling :) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:38:59 cat9 IRC is IM, that stuff belongs in a mailing list or forum, and starting a flame war is toxic | |
| 2026-04-26 03:39:41 someoldguy perhaps one might argue that i am trolling. i am certainly pressing the point, but a leading representative of the gnu project today defended a pedophile, even unwittingly, and then refused to take responsibility for this. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:39:58 cat9 Theres someone just like him in another channel actually | |
| 2026-04-26 03:40:10 cat9 Im starting to think theyre the same person on alt accounts | |
| 2026-04-26 03:40:13 Ariadne I see | |
| 2026-04-26 03:40:54 cat9 They skirt the line, being "reasonable enough" not to get banned (usually) i guess | |
| 2026-04-26 03:41:16 someoldguy by the way when someone exposes wrongdoing as i have done, this is commonly a tactic used. rather than acknowledge that wrong has occured, the accuser is routinely bombarded and attempts are made to derail them, and then an attempt is made to question their character, and make the debate about the accuser, rather than the accusation | |
| 2026-04-26 03:41:36 someoldguy that is why i am now being called a troll, and why other emotionally charged language was used. for example, i was also accused of engaging in a "witchhunt" | |
| 2026-04-26 03:41:56 Ariadne well that sounds unfortunate but is just one drop in an ocean of social gaffes one has come to expect from FSF leadership. I care about FSF as fiscal sponsor of the GNU project and think everything they do that isn't explicitly that is probably not a good use of resources | |
| 2026-04-26 03:41:56 someoldguy this is why i keep repeating the fact of the matter, so as to mitigate said tactic. and it is why i will do so once more: | |
| 2026-04-26 03:42:00 cat9 I dont deny your accusation, Im inclined to believe you. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:42:39 cat9 That being said, it does not belong here, so hush. either report it in the proper channels or dont at all | |
| 2026-04-26 03:42:43 someoldguy today Jason Self, a leader authority in the GNU Advisory Committee, and former GNU WebMaster, defended the work of a pedophile, work that happens to be free software, and using that fact alone to ignore the fact that the author of said work (pcbox) is a pedophile. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:43:28 someoldguy he refused to denounce said work, and even defended the decision to promote said work, on the basis that it is free, expressing a willingness on his part to overlook that the author literally engages in sexual grooming against minors. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:43:48 cat9 Bruh | |
| 2026-04-26 03:43:58 cat9 The gaslighting again | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:12 cat9 I literally read the convo | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:19 someoldguy disregarding entirely, the fact that pcbox is not developed inside a vacuum; for example, britney made allusions to the fact that pcbox has a discord community, where the author of pcbox regularly has sexual relations with minors. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:26 someoldguy these are facts | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:42 Ariadne sure but what do I care | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:47 Ariadne and what can I do about it | |
| 2026-04-26 03:44:57 cat9 Exactly | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:05 cat9 Thats what my annoyance is | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:19 someoldguy and attempts have been made to distract from these facts, instead questioning my own moral character and calling me a troll. if i am a troll, then i will accept the label, and continue trolling - until jxself is removed from this community, or acknowledges the problem and acts accordingly. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:25 Kolev I'm getting bored of this and am about to fall asleep at my computer. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:30 someoldguy as you americans say, i will die on this hill | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:31 cat9 That its being brought up in the IRC instead of in proper location | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:38 cat9 And i dont want to hear about it | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:46 someoldguy your language is quite peculiar indeed | |
| 2026-04-26 03:45:57 cat9 And now you want admin of this channel to be banned because he didnt immediately do what you demanded | |
| 2026-04-26 03:46:02 cat9 Incredible | |
| 2026-04-26 03:46:05 someoldguy it's supposed to be unpleasant and convenient. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:46:35 someoldguy calling into question my character or claiming to be injuride by it does not by itself refute what i am saying. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:46:43 someoldguy injured | |
| 2026-04-26 03:47:55 someoldguy and if i am a troll, then the aphorism can be further stressed: you can't bullshit a bullshitter | |
| 2026-04-26 03:48:29 someoldguy but i sir do not deal in bullshit. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:49:00 Ariadne this person reminds me a lot of a trollish free software maintainer I know | |
| 2026-04-26 03:49:09 someoldguy which one? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:49:41 someoldguy dm me if u don't want to out them :) | |
| 2026-04-26 03:50:15 Ariadne I certainly wouldn't want to throw any accusations out | |
| 2026-04-26 03:50:31 someoldguy i'm done anyway. if nobody cares after this, that's fine, i can't do anything about it. but i learned today that the fsf is at the very least showing signs of pedophilia apologism | |
| 2026-04-26 03:51:19 someoldguy britney's own aphorism is apt: when you set at a table with 9 nazis, there are now 10 | |
| 2026-04-26 03:52:05 Ariadne I mean I agree they overindexed on "defend maintainer" as a reaction, but it does not change the fact that pcbox, even if the maintainer is alleged to be a sex pest, is free software and thus would qualify to be in a database of free software | |
| 2026-04-26 03:52:09 Kolev ich denk ass er kennnt deitsch schwetze | |
| 2026-04-26 03:52:27 someoldguy but pcbox is not free software ariadne | |
| 2026-04-26 03:52:39 someoldguy it distributes non-free bios roms, as i plainly established, with links to prove it | |
| 2026-04-26 03:53:04 someoldguy in a manner that directly counterindicates inclusion within the free software directory | |
| 2026-04-26 03:53:07 Ariadne well the emulator itself is, but the ROMs aren't. but you could use Seabios as a ROM if you were clever enough. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:53:43 someoldguy that is a specious argument. | |
| 2026-04-26 03:54:12 Kolev un ich denk ass someoldguy gleicht die kinner weil er schwetzt iwwer sell die ganze nacht | |
| 2026-04-26 03:57:35 Ariadne howso? | |
| 2026-04-26 03:58:45 cat9 Ariadne: yeah thats my position too. It doesnt matter who makes the thing. If the page for it on FSF/GNU list links to a discord it should be removed (that is not free software anyway) but afaik its just a git link | |
| 2026-04-26 04:00:14 cat9 If someone stumbled into the personal person page from git repo and then into the discord, i dont see how thats different from finding it from a pull request on another project. Should we then ban all the projects where the bad person has an open/closed issue or pull request which may be found? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:01:13 cat9 There is also contributor graph on some platforms, so anywhere bad person PRd into would be listed there, and maybe their discord is linked in the bio | |
| 2026-04-26 04:01:52 someoldguy i don't think a few random PRs quite compares to being leader of an entire project, especially one that is so large and complex. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:04:48 Kolev well ich geh schloffe em bett mit someoldguy nau weil ich bin arrig mied un ich sett schloffe so guti nacht yeder ebber un mach's gut | |
| 2026-04-26 04:05:05 someoldguy you butcher my language with such abandon | |
| 2026-04-26 04:05:24 Kolev someoldguy, I'm American. It's my dialect. Deal with it. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:05:48 someoldguy no, sir. speak german properly, or speak english. i do speak english. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:06:09 Kolev someoldguy, I prefer to torture you with redneck German. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:06:37 someoldguy nice try though | |
| 2026-04-26 04:06:37 cat9 Kolev: Gute nacht! | |
| 2026-04-26 04:06:50 someoldguy your teacher must be good | |
| 2026-04-26 04:07:25 someoldguy but you don't earn that privilege with me until you do it right | |
| 2026-04-26 04:07:27 someoldguy sleep well my friend | |
| 2026-04-26 04:08:45 Kolev mei tietscher iss vun pennsylvaania :) | |
| 2026-04-26 04:09:04 someoldguy what, are you amish or something? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:09:19 someoldguy that would be interesting | |
| 2026-04-26 04:09:23 someoldguy silly american | |
| 2026-04-26 04:09:58 Ariadne maybe his teacher is amish | |
| 2026-04-26 04:10:03 Ariadne sometimes they leave | |
| 2026-04-26 04:10:28 Kolev I speak with the Amish. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:10:46 someoldguy i learned english by playing american videogames | |
| 2026-04-26 04:12:54 Kolev I only know broken German languages. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:13:25 someoldguy come to vienna and i will teach you personally | |
| 2026-04-26 04:15:00 kiliro jxself: Thank you very much for writing the yt-dlp post https://jxself.org/shifting-the-trap.shtml | |
| 2026-04-26 04:15:20 someoldguy your amish friends too | |
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| 2026-04-26 04:16:40 kiliro the environment is dense here | |
| 2026-04-26 04:17:11 kiliro why argue, when we do not want to learn anything from others. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:17:15 kiliro ? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:17:49 kiliro it is better to find common goals and avoid conflict | |
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| 2026-04-26 04:19:03 kiliro discussions are good because you can find diverse opinions that can teach you very interesting stuff....but repeating stuff over and over just wastes everyone's time | |
| 2026-04-26 04:19:11 Kolev someoldguy, is Luther Bible German still valid German? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:22:18 someoldguy probably better than what your amish professor teaches you | |
| 2026-04-26 04:24:20 Kolev kiliro, wow, jxself wrote a very thorough piece. Very well written. Thank you. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:24:50 Kolev someoldguy, because I plan to learn more normal German by reading the Luther Bible every day. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:25:04 someoldguy do u have a time machine? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:26:06 someoldguy i guess you're just trolling. the answer is yes, if your next destination is the year 1600 | |
| 2026-04-26 04:27:03 someoldguy or writing a screenplay about the year 1600 and you're doing research for a role | |
| 2026-04-26 04:27:46 someoldguy for our purposes, such a performance is tantamount to building a time machine, and then the answer becomes yes | |
| 2026-04-26 04:32:33 Ariadne personally, I think the ytp-dl post only holds if there is real execution of javascript given by a remote server. there are different ways to interpret the supplied javascript, for example as data (an AST) | |
| 2026-04-26 04:32:55 <-- xorAxAx (sid624141@id-624141.hampstead.irccloud.com) has left #fsf | |
| 2026-04-26 04:33:23 Ariadne it seems plausible to me to do a ytp-dl type deal with AST level interpretation alone | |
| 2026-04-26 04:34:10 kiliro Ariadne: please do and tell us what you find | |
| 2026-04-26 04:34:14 Ariadne like if it's a standard challenge-response protocol you can just pull out the parameters yourself and calculate the correct resoonse | |
| 2026-04-26 04:34:32 someoldguy you do run javascript supplied by youtube, which must be executed to complete a proof of work challenge, and send a response which then generates a token, valid for a finite period of time | |
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| 2026-04-26 04:34:43 someoldguy then token then enables the video to play | |
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| 2026-04-26 04:35:47 Ariadne yes but that is my point, the proof of work algorithm can be implemented as a libre reimplementation (e.g. in python). | |
| 2026-04-26 04:36:12 Ariadne all you really need is the parameters | |
| 2026-04-26 04:36:14 jxself Walking an AST to produce a computed result is the literal definition of a tree-walking interpreter. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:36:14 someoldguy thus, any recommendation by the fsf or its supporters to use youtube, in any capacity, is tantamount to the promotion and endorsement of proprietary software, albeit indirectly | |
| 2026-04-26 04:36:29 someoldguy in this instance, i would argue that is is acceptable, on the theory of harm reduction | |
| 2026-04-26 04:36:39 someoldguy yt-dlp does excellent work | |
| 2026-04-26 04:37:50 someoldguy avoiding youtube altogether is desirable. free services exist such as peertube. we must not endorse centralized services like youtube, ones known to censor any number of things. such is the nature of a proprietary video service. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:38:30 Kolev jxself, is there a page to link to when people send me a YouTube link? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:38:41 someoldguy if you must use youtube, i recommend using invidious instead, via public instances, or run yt-dlp on a burner laptop, so as to avoid running proprietary software on more security critical computers, such as your main computer. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:39:17 someoldguy youtube.com's own player will send you a lot more non-free code, hence my statement pertaining to harm reduction. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:39:19 --> oliverD [oliverd] (oliverD) (~Thunderbi@user/oliverd) has joined #fsf | |
| 2026-04-26 04:39:26 someoldguy non-free software is harm. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:39:55 Ariadne I think meeting people where they are is probably more productive for spreading software freedom than focusing on dogma. see also: freedom ladder etc. most people, including most hackers, do not perfectly adhere to the ladder, but they still get the core benefit of software freedom. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:40:55 someoldguy yes, i agree and i would add that yt-dlp is a vital project. without it, more users would be running more non-free code. like i said, harm reduction. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:41:32 someoldguy their and invidious's reverse engineering is quite incredible. like when they cracked DASH for example. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:41:46 jxself Leah! | |
| 2026-04-26 04:42:06 someoldguy as in, rachel? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:42:09 kiliro i think that running a little nonfree software keeps people calm about the abuse they receive from the developers of that nonfree software | |
| 2026-04-26 04:42:51 someoldguy jxself are you ready to address my criticisms? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:43:39 <-- oliverD (~Thunderbi@user/oliverd) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 2026-04-26 04:44:57 Ariadne kiliro: oh definitely. the real problem is that people depend on youtube to begin with | |
| 2026-04-26 04:46:21 Kolev What should I do if someone sends a YouTube link? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:46:52 someoldguy lecture them with great enthusiasm | |
| 2026-04-26 04:47:15 cat9 Lash out at them | |
| 2026-04-26 04:47:35 Kolev "Sorry, I don't watch YouTube." | |
| 2026-04-26 04:48:39 Ariadne in my case, I click the link, my default Firefox profile isn't logged into anything. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:49:01 someoldguy jxself why did you shout leah? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:49:17 someoldguy i have a score to settle with her too if she's here | |
| 2026-04-26 04:50:12 Kolev Ariadne, properly configured, a YouTube link won't show anything but a blank page with maybe a thumbnail. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:50:39 someoldguy properly configured means: javascript disabled | |
| 2026-04-26 04:51:12 Ariadne yeah even as a security engineer I don't go that hard | |
| 2026-04-26 04:51:40 someoldguy what projects are you involved in ariadne ? | |
| 2026-04-26 04:52:13 Ariadne I think you already know that information :) | |
| 2026-04-26 04:53:11 someoldguy if u say so | |
| 2026-04-26 04:56:35 Kolev Ariadne, fair. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:57:05 someoldguy i like invidious because when it does work, i can bypass all the bot warnings even on a super sketchy vpn | |
| 2026-04-26 04:57:54 someoldguy i have to suffer the indignity of waiting for my browser to waste my electricity while an anime girl appears for a few seconds, and then the video plays | |
| 2026-04-26 04:59:26 someoldguy one of the invidious instances is suspect. i don't remember which one, but it's running on some pro-russian fork of nginx which is, well, sus | |
| 2026-04-26 04:59:57 Kolev I'm going to try not to use YouTube. | |
| 2026-04-26 04:59:59 someoldguy but i trust even that not to run malicious code on my computer, more than i trust a multibillion dollar american company | |
| 2026-04-26 05:00:47 someoldguy one whose CEO was in that rotunda, on that fateful day, because he had to get his selfie | |
| 2026-04-26 05:01:50 <-- jmcantrell_ (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 2026-04-26 05:06:09 --> kiliro` (unknown) (~user@190.63.120.106) has joined #fsf | |
| 2026-04-26 05:08:13 <-- kiliro (~user@user/kiliro) has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | |
| 2026-04-26 05:08:16 Kolev Being shut out of YouTube videos people send me is going to be hard. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:08:48 someoldguy i wonder how the age verification legislations will affect yt-dlp | |
| 2026-04-26 05:08:54 -- kiliro` has identified as kiliro | |
| 2026-04-26 05:08:54 -- kiliro` (~user@190.63.120.106) has changed host to ~user@user/kiliro | |
| 2026-04-26 05:09:09 someoldguy ditto invidious. no doubt there will be additional security that also affects these projects. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:09:23 -- kiliro` is now known as kiliro | |
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| 2026-04-26 05:10:01 Kolev With the way things are going, I'm not sure what a computer's useful for, except for email and messaging. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:10:23 someoldguy as peverse as such laws are, i believe they may provide ample opportunity for us to sell the free software vision | |
| 2026-04-26 05:10:57 someoldguy the alienation that such changes cause creates a perfect impotus for us to convince people, but only for a short time. later, such changes will become normalized. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:11:24 someoldguy a dubious opportunity, but one nevertheless. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:11:24 kiliro someoldguy seems to be gnubootuser | |
| 2026-04-26 05:11:43 someoldguy yes kiliro i removed gnu from my nick after jxself disgusted me so violently earlier. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:12:15 someoldguy i dm'd him personally, to express my outrage, with a simple message, saying precisely: "you disgust me" | |
| 2026-04-26 05:12:18 cat9 Correct | |
| 2026-04-26 05:12:34 cat9 "Being shut out of YouTube videos people send me is going to be hard." | |
| 2026-04-26 05:12:59 cat9 I think im going to execute the nonfree JS anyway. My line is that its in a sandbox | |
| 2026-04-26 05:13:10 someoldguy i have the distinct impression that his charisma is so strong that his fellow sympathizers will likely defend him, and he feels no need to address my complaint further. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:13:13 cat9 Of course, not aligned with fsf's view on things | |
| 2026-04-26 05:13:18 Kolev I wonder what excuses I could use to avoid YouTube. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:13:43 cat9 "PeerTube is better" is a good one | |
| 2026-04-26 05:13:49 someoldguy if my words have no effect, then i will have no more words, but anybody who was reading may have scratched their head, and that is enough. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:14:20 <-- oliverD (~Thunderbi@user/oliverd) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 2026-04-26 05:14:52 kiliro please cite what disgusted you, someoldguy | |
| 2026-04-26 05:14:57 someoldguy the ideology as it was presented to me, is one that will likely cause more outrage in the future, with this being an earlier precedent by then, and in this way, i have already achieved what i set out to achieve. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:15:30 someoldguy he will feel safe, because he likely is, but jason was not my target. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:15:33 cat9 Also, the fact that yt-dlp is so nice to use | |
| 2026-04-26 05:15:40 kiliro I do think the links you posted and leah publishings are disgusting | |
| 2026-04-26 05:15:44 cat9 And yt-dlp is free software | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:03 jxself So it was a setup from the start. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:04 someoldguy and i do think he had good intentions, even if he is noive. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:08 someoldguy naive | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:15 cat9 kiliro You should read above. I have him ignored. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:31 kiliro I could not find any offense | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:37 cat9 Yea jxself , pretty sure it is "cow" who I have seen in gentoo-chat | |
| 2026-04-26 05:16:44 someoldguy i expressed criticism of the notion that a... software project run by a pedophile... deserves to be promoted by the FSF | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:04 kiliro he does not agree | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:07 kiliro so? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:08 someoldguy if jxself wants to defend such a thing, or fail to oppose it, that's his choice | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:08 cat9 Acts mostly the same, finds some problem as excuse to spam political stuff | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:29 kiliro does he offend you because he does not agree with you? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:29 someoldguy i understand his reluctance, even if it sickens me | |
| 2026-04-26 05:17:39 cat9 The controversy he posted about happened nearly a year ago too. Took him this long to then wander into here and complain about it | |
| 2026-04-26 05:18:00 cat9 So, I think its a troll. Im not gonna waste my time so i have him ignored | |
| 2026-04-26 05:18:20 someoldguy i don't care if pcbox cured cancer and turned water into wine and made a million babies laugh adorably and give their mothers each a million dollars | |
| 2026-04-26 05:18:23 cat9 Either that or someone who really does not know the correct place to file reports and has no intention of finding out | |
| 2026-04-26 05:18:24 someoldguy the author is a pedo | |
| 2026-04-26 05:18:38 someoldguy and therefore anything it is or does, even under GPL, is invalid. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:19:02 kiliro that is your own position, someoldguy ... are you going to impose it on all of us? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:19:10 Kolev jxself, I guess we're back to 2012 again. YouTube used Flash back then. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:19:20 someoldguy if words are an imposition, then i suppose that is my intention, yes | |
| 2026-04-26 05:19:31 cat9 kiliro: i cant read his messages... but yes, yes he is going to impose his position on all of us | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:04 kiliro someoldguy: are you going to cancel all of us for not agreeing with you? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:05 someoldguy if you're foolish enough to express the opinion that a project maintained by a pedo is worth defending as part of the free software movement, then that is your own loss, and expresed at your own peril. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:11 Kolev A lot of useful stuff is on Facebook, Reddit, and YouTube. It's going to be hard to give up. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:17 cat9 I reckon he already has | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:35 cat9 We've committed the mortal sin of not agreeing with him | |
| 2026-04-26 05:20:49 someoldguy you've committed the sin of being in my line of sight, yes | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:11 cat9 Kolev An idea: you can use libre frontends | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:17 kiliro why are you here then, someoldguy ? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:21 cat9 They run the proprietary JS for you | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:30 cat9 To antagonize kiliro , obviously | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:36 cat9 As i explained above | |
| 2026-04-26 05:21:46 someoldguy i honestly have no clue why i'm here. | |
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| 2026-04-26 05:22:21 kiliro it is a waste of time to ask people to live by your rules...nobody will | |
| 2026-04-26 05:22:39 someoldguy i restarted my irc client after months of it being offline without me realizing it, and i saw some chatter here, and then shit just happened | |
| 2026-04-26 05:22:53 Kolev cat9, Invidious is unreliable. I'll just not visit YouTube videos people send me. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:13 cat9 Kolev: You need to find an instance with good availability | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:23 someoldguy i think you'll find though that the condemnation of pedophiles, no matter the context or allegedly mitigating circumstances, is a largely universal reaction | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:27 cat9 Theres certain ones which work | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:41 cat9 Its become very difficult to run an invidious instance these days but it is possible | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:41 kiliro someoldguy: it is good to present an opinion...but to force everyone else to share your opinion is a waste of time for everyone | |
| 2026-04-26 05:23:53 Kolev cat9, yes, Google attacks Invidious. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:24:04 cat9 The nice thing about invidious is that it lets you run without any js at all | |
| 2026-04-26 05:24:19 someoldguy this channel is one of the few communities i've seenn that are willing to mitigate the existence of a pedophile in any way. most people would roundly condemn and possibly crucify a pedophile, even if he were jesus reborn. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:24:25 kiliro condemning people is worthless...condemning actions is better...but still worthless | |
| 2026-04-26 05:24:50 kiliro the best thing is to make things better by constructing, instead of condemning | |
| 2026-04-26 05:24:52 cat9 Worst thing is, I had an invidious and nitter. That lasted all of a month before BOTH youtube and twitter started cracking down | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:00 someoldguy if you find that you are going to great pains to excuse a pedophile, then something is terribly wrong | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:04 cat9 I made them at the worst time | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:10 Kolev cat9, maybe using Invidious is like using a proxy in other ways, like paying a tax accountant to use nonfree software for you. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:23 cat9 I made stylish themes and everything | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:33 cat9 Kolev: exactly | |
| 2026-04-26 05:25:53 kiliro nobody is siding with pedophiles....you seem to be a pedophile, someoldguy | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:06 kiliro but no one is attacking you | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:15 cat9 kiliro: dont bother to argue please, it is a troll | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:22 jxself We have the admitted the whole thing was a bad-faith setup designed to manufacture screenshots for future drama. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:26 jxself admission | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:29 cat9 kiliro: Wrong, I am attacking him, for being an annoying troll | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:36 kiliro I do not call people trolls | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:39 cat9 jxself: Exactly jxself | |
| 2026-04-26 05:26:46 cat9 Thats what i knew it was | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:12 someoldguy you realise that calling someone accusing you of defending a pedophile, with documentary evidence of the same, is the worst possible thing you can do right? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:13 cat9 The thing theyre "upset" (totally) about happened over a year ago | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:26 Kolev cat9, or going into the bank to talk to a human, who will use the bank's nonfree software so you don't have to run it on your own device. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:28 someoldguy you realise that calling someone accusing you of defending a pedophile, with documentary evidence of the same, a troll, is the worst possible thing you can do right? * | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:39 cat9 I wonder if this guy has a folder of scandals to bring up and troll with | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:45 someoldguy don't you understand how that looks? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:27:54 <-- phryk (~totallyno@user/phryk) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:02 someoldguy or how absurd that is? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:24 someoldguy the fact that you do anything other than condemn such a person, and disregard anything they ever did, is telling. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:29 cat9 Kolev: yea thats why i suggested it. Theres also one for reddit, iirc its called redlib | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:38 cat9 And nitter, of course | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:38 someoldguy someone here even accused me of "cancel culture", but i could be wrong | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:42 kiliro someoldguy: I don't think that anyone else but me is reading your messages | |
| 2026-04-26 05:28:46 someoldguy perhaps i imagined that | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:04 cat9 kiliro: you really ought to stop doing that :-) | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:07 kiliro I said you are cancelling people, someoldguy | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:34 someoldguy i'm just going to assume from now on that a large number of pedophiles talk in this channel | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:35 Kolev cat9, maybe these will be useful as a last resort. Is there an extension to convert these links? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:44 someoldguy #fsf harbors pedophiles now | |
| 2026-04-26 05:29:49 jxself kiliro: Stop feeding them. They explicitly admitted 10 minutes ago that they're just here to manufacture screenshots for drama. Throwing insults at them just gives them exactly the reaction they are looking for. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:30:03 cat9 Yes Kolev , theres one called libredirect iirc | |
| 2026-04-26 05:30:15 cat9 But you probably need to configure it to use good instances yourself | |
| 2026-04-26 05:30:25 Kolev cat9, thanks. I'll look into it tomorrow. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:30:31 cat9 By default it offers a bunch of instances that dont work | |
| 2026-04-26 05:30:43 someoldguy like. i literally have you stating that it's ok to to promote work done by a pedo, so long as said work is free software. and you call my criticism of that, trolling. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:31:07 someoldguy don't you realise how stupidly absurd that is, and how utterly contemptible any typical person reading that would find it to be? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:31:28 cat9 jxself: i'll say it again, I am in full support of k-lining them. Please libera admins, save us... | |
| 2026-04-26 05:31:39 kiliro jxself: I have been called a troll just for holding opinions that others reject. Ignoring someone is not the right way for good communication. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:31:40 someoldguy are you really that into your own publicity that you can't see it? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:04 cat9 kiliro: you cant reason with a troll | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:08 someoldguy let me be clear | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:12 kiliro I will speak to them in private | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:18 cat9 Spend all the time you want, theyre arguing in bad faith | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:20 cat9 Good idea | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:24 someoldguy calling me a troll for exposing such a thing, is no different than inviting the pedo themself here | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:25 cat9 Have fun with that lol | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:37 someoldguy you may as well just invite the pedo here and let them just, you know, hang out | |
| 2026-04-26 05:32:58 Kolev cat9, is yewtew.be still up? | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:01 someoldguy like, that's literally the only thing you could do worse at this point | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:11 cat9 Im not sure, youd have to check | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:14 cat9 Iirc that one is good | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:26 cat9 But i have not used this in a while | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:39 Kolev It was good back when I used Invidious, but I stoppeed using it when Google started taking them all down. | |
| 2026-04-26 05:33:41 cat9 IIRC theres a list of all the instances sorted by best reliability | |
| 2026-04-26 05:34:01 cat9 Now theyve started to engineer ways to avoid being taken down though Kolev | |
| 2026-04-26 05:34:11 cat9 Like having many residential IPs to request from | |
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| 2026-04-26 06:06:35 britney i think my main problem with it being in the directory is that i wouldn't personally link to a site that advertises a discord link where kids are gonna get groomed | |
| 2026-04-26 06:06:43 britney but i have liability brain because of law | |
| 2026-04-26 06:08:40 britney someoldguy is being a bit extreme in this channel, this probably isnt the place | |
| 2026-04-26 06:09:14 britney i think its a fair thing to be upset about, though i don't condone how they are acting about it | |
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| 2026-04-26 06:13:41 britney While the FSF's primary focus is software freedom, its actions and endorsements carry ethical weight. The organization has a Code of Ethics for its Board of Directors that prohibits harassment and unfair discrimination. By endorsing a project that provides support through a platform known to harbor a "known sex pest" and does nothing to prevent it, the FSF would be indirectly facilitating a harmful | |
| 2026-04-26 06:13:43 britney environment. This would contradict the ethical standards it expects from its own leadership and the communities it supports. | |
| 2026-04-26 06:13:44 someoldguy i've basically calmed down now. but i still stand by my points. | |
| 2026-04-26 06:13:46 someoldguy this is fucked up | |
| 2026-04-26 06:15:44 BlueyHealer What happened? | |
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| 2026-04-26 06:23:43 kiliro britney: as you are indirectly facilitating a harmful environment by being on IRC. So for ethics, leave it as it is. | |
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| 2026-04-26 06:26:52 kiliro what a coincidence...the two troublemakers are gone...might be the same person | |
| 2026-04-26 06:27:35 kiliro Kolev: you see? I could deal with him | |
| 2026-04-26 06:32:06 cat9 BlueyHealer: nothing important | |
| 2026-04-26 06:32:35 someoldguy not gone, just eating salted caramel ice cream for breakfast | |
| 2026-04-26 06:32:44 someoldguy and watching some tv | |
| 2026-04-26 06:37:49 britney kiliro: how? | |
| 2026-04-26 06:41:54 kiliro how what? | |
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