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I actually spent most of my time modding for ZDoom, especially the VR version. I've always loved Doom because of its map and mod community, but lately I've become really interested in MBF-compatible ports because they just work well out of the box, have a really pleasing visual aesthetic, and are highly optimized.

I also get the strong impression that most mapsets are made for super-classic Doom gameplay first, with gameplay mods being something you add on top afterward. I have a collection of around 345 WADs, and MBF ports are exactly what I want for playing through that kind of library.

As for the visuals, that's a separate topic. I love good lighting, dynamic lights, and all that stuff, but Doom itself is all about those crunchy pixels. Whenever I see the "4K Ultra RTX 5D 300 FPS" style of assets and effects that are so popular in ZDoom projects, I get this weird feeling of... cheapness.

Even Brutal Doom—which is actually the mod that got me into the Doom community—has this problem for me. The blood is extremely high-resolution and doesn't match the pixel size of the original game at all, so it ends up having this "random Unity Asset Store assets" vibe.

The same goes for sound, and that's especially important to me as a sound designer. There are barely any mods that replace every sound in the game with HQ versions. Instead, they add "Dolby Atmos 5.1 Auro-3D" quality to only certain parts of the game, while everything else stays vanilla. The result is that the whole game turns into a mishmash of completely different styles again.



That's one of the reasons MBF feels so appealing to me. It naturally lends itself to a more unified design language, so even with mods, the overall experience feels cohesive.

Using DeHacked gives a mapset portability and by extension, accessibility.
The issue is on the gameplay mod being based on DeHacked and redefining monster entities, if not for that there would have been no issues.

Something new limit removing WADs could implement is moving custom enemies to the DEHEXTRA range, then including a DEH patch specifically for engines that don't support it, but everything including Crispy and beyond does.

it's completable, the bugs i seen are a seam on the sky and skybox hall of mirroring in some places in software renderer

the mod is huge and makes me feel like it'd be easier to run some brutal doom for the most part of what the mod does, with the same spider mastermind quirk, but to patch it would be easier task i guess. if at all. i wouldn't bother, it's too tedious and ungainly.

like popular mappacks may only use dehacked. cuz why? cuz being pseudoconservative to doom looks like mainstream.
you rightly think that okay you make a mod that's gonna run on their engines, aaand it conflicts cuz dehacked is like that by design.
20 years ago decorate made the problems of running mappacks and gameplay mods much less severe, down to nothing.
like a mappack has a custom zombie with shovel, and you run it with brutal doom, and nothing actually breaks.
the what zdoom is lacking is nonbsp mode that was present in early gzdooms; and doom's original prng, which was added as compat option in skulltag.
nonbsp mode would make the game as fast as eduke32, and nobody would be able to blame zdoom's performance.
i think by this point it's better to wait until conservative community collapses. it's on peak of saturation with mbf21 wads now. just do something else, and someday it happens.
But this isn't the only option, so you don't have to wait for it, just aggressively push a slightly corrected zdoom. I have no real interest in this, shit has became boring. Utakata plays and looks interesting though, i stopped like at map08 or something

i'm always like kek when someone gets a positive wide mention only cuz one died

The timing when Doom community is sad to see doom-famous composer Bobby Prince pass away a few weeks ago but doesn't waste breath to tell other doom-famous composer Mark Klem to fuck off while they're still alive.

The obituaries that the doom community will write after his inevitable passing will be loving, nostalgic, and grateful for his contributions as if the way he is being treated just now never actually happened.

Sometimes it's better to let go when health and talents are waning, or before.

AI bros are such babies, I swear it's become a pattern.

How about editing the mod instead? (Since it's your mod) Provide options to toggle on or off new monsters, or decorations, or weapons. Same way Beautiful Doom has.

Use a ZDoom mod, DeHackeds always have conflicts no matter what is being used. The only way this could work would be if this was a weapons only mod.

lossvoise thanks I'm glad you had a good time playing it