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Even when their facial features are still vastly different?

(I’m fair-skinned and non-American and I think I’m pretty privileged in my experience when I mingle with other ethnicity folk or travel in other countries)

Even when their facial features are still vastly different?

I ask because old people seem to almost unanimously praise George Carlin (born 1937), but these two (born 1959, 1967 each) are often regarded as top craft of comedy by younger people and last time I posted in this sub about Norm, some comments about him were lackluster so I was intrigued.

Norm once commented on his podcast, “I can’t stand listening to Lenny Bruce” and “I watch Bill Hicks on YouTube after getting recommended, for 2 hours I don’t laugh” - so what do you think of these modern two as someone who witnessed all the evolution?

Always had this question at the back of my unconsciousness, because it’s much more casually thrown than the f word but it seems like it originated from the image of fellatio, or did it not to the mind of most native speakers?

If former, shouldn’t it be forbidden for kids to use?

Nothing depressing or serious, but just the feeling that could be caused by fatigue, stress, imagination or some other things

If a desire only serves to function linearly in the heteronormative society (dating, marriage, family…), can you say that is a desire at least in the sense of spontaneity?

What happened to desiring without any teleological purpose or reward?

If a desire only serves to function linearly in the heteronormative society (dating, marriage, family…), can you say that is a desire at least in the sense of spontaneity?

An example of common Reddit exchanges:

User A: We need to protect the environment

User B: Why are you so mad? You need to learn to control your anger, blah blah (absolutely nothing related to the main presented topic)

Also when A says a terrible thing to B, then B points out “that’s rude, you shouldn’t say that” and A goes “sorry you can’t take it (or didn’t like it)” like the “memes OP didn’t like” sub.

The point in such situations is that what A did was wrong, not whether anyone subjectively liked or not, but Americans seem to fixate on the latter a lot, in my experience, and it seems it only started to get labelled as edgelord or baiting.

I get that cynical or sardonic humor is a big part of American culture (I like Louis CK and others for such comedy), but I often get the impression it’s not just speech, but partially concerns the mindset of the people.

So have you ever felt this kind of wall as an insider of the country?

I found out today the two kinds actually share the etymology (cognate with kin like kinship) and it blows my mind: it’s because you would act nicely with natural affection to someone of the same kind (family, tribe, ethnicity) as you, although I feel like other interpretations could be possible

Did everyone always know?

Positive solidarity examples: Black, Indigenous, queer, trans, female, vegan…

Negative minority examples: non-white, non-citizen, disabled (as in non-able-bodied), non-straight, non-male, non-firstworld, non-human, non-mammal…

Then negative labels targeting the silently privileged: non-ill (i.e. healthy), non-struggling (i.e. middle class or rich), non-incarcerated (i.e. free), non-refugee, non-immigrant, non-neurodivergent, non-depressed, non-addict, non-illiterate, non-shipwrecked, non-starving, non-failing…

With this approach, I think even harmless descriptions like “I’m happy, pretty, healthy” can be re-described as “I’m privileged in being non-sad (thus non-depressed, non-suicidal and so on), non-unattractive, non-ill” which could shed light on how much of our majoritarian normalcy in fact relies on being in contrast to unarticulated minorities of other corners in society.

The basic idea would be Hegel’s notion of determinate negation where all identity already has in its own definition its own non-identity, then also the Christian mystic tradition of apophaticism would be an interesting ontological parallel.

Intersectionalism is often only understood as curbing the voices within the minority circles like “feminists should factor in trans women” but what if no individual were immune from this negative intersectionality from the beginning, insofar as there will be always the underprivileged and some kind of supremacism surrounding them?

What do you think, and any recommendations of postcolonial material that ever already take this direction?

Louis isn’t just comedy for me, it’s the entire laid-back, nonchalant, radically cynical worldview that’s hard to put into words yet, and it doesn’t seem to be just operative within the comedy material but beyond it, like how he “handled” the real-life scandal and fluctuations that could have threatened his entire career.

(And it’s not like he “ignores” everything either, it feels like how some Buddhist monk would act, affirming all reactions and translating them into surreal humor - would be interesting to compare this trajectory of his and Ellen’s with her last special)

Anybody got to experience this kind of perspective shift after delving into Louis, like some afterglow, like how Christians ask “what would Jesus do” and instead you’d think “what would Louis do” in challenging situations or relationships, or am I crazy? (Idc either way, like Louis wouldn’t)

I have already asked about the Nicki vs. Cardi one before and got some good replies (pretty privileges in both women, etc.), and as artists that belong to different cultural eras, I think this one could be more fundamental.

On media, it looks like Nicki can’t maintain a good relationship with any other fellow Black female rapper, like how Kim complained on the Breakfast Club “she wants to be the only queen” - but my recent suspicion is that it could have something to do with her having a full immigrant status throughout her whole career, unlike Kim, Remy, Cardi, Megan, Latto, etc. etc. who are born US citizens, possibly resulting in forever feeling like a minority and an outsider.

Then Lil Kim commenting on her could have felt like she was trying to wield her old-school power with her prior-generation privilege, so to this day it’s hard to resolve maybe because it’s more than just personal feud, more societal or structural.

My impression is that Nicki is more feminine voice than Kim or Cardi who seem to aim to rap more like male rappers (yelling with lower tones), so Nicki might have had in the beginning some fringe-artist mindset that she’s this “independent girl” not necessarily continuous from the previous dominant hip hop culture, or something like that.

What do you think? Are there any intersectional elements you could note from (especially if you’re) a Black person’s perspective?

I have already asked about the Nicki vs. Cardi one before and got some good replies (pretty privileges in both women, etc.), and as artists that belong to different cultural eras, I think this one could be more fundamental.

On media, it looks like Nicki can’t maintain a good relationship with any other fellow Black female rapper, like how Kim complained on the Breakfast Club “she wants to be the only queen” - but my recent suspicion is that it could have something to do with her having a full immigrant status throughout her whole career, unlike Kim, Remy, Cardi, Megan, Latto, etc. etc. who are born US citizens, possibly resulting in forever feeling like a minority and an outsider.

Then Lil Kim commenting on her could have felt like she was trying to wield her old-school power with her prior-generation privilege, so to this day it’s hard to resolve maybe because it’s more than just personal feud, more societal or structural.

My impression is that Nicki is more feminine voice than Kim or Cardi who seem to aim to rap more like male rappers (yelling with lower tones), so Nicki might have had in the beginning some fringe-artist mindset that she’s this “independent girl” not necessarily continuous from the previous dominant hip hop culture, or something like that.

What do you think? Are there any intersectional elements you could note from a Black person’s perspective?

Example from Louis C.K. Live at the Beacon Theatre (2011)

I really think that white people are from another planet because when we came to America, it was so nice. It was just Indians. [White people encountering Indians bit] Why, if we’re from here, if we belong on Earth, why aren’t we comfortable on Earth, at all? [God scolding human bit] “Eat corn and wheat and s—t. But it doesn’t have, like, bacon around it 🤌” (Little Break) I watched somebody do that the other day after a meal they went, “Oh, it was just (mwah 🤌)” And I started wondering, what does that mean? (🤌) You ate something so delicious that you then kissed somebody on the a——e and their a——e exploded. (Pow 🤌)

So it’s just ridiculous tangent after tangent, which is my fav trait about Louis and I don’t think to this day I’ve seen many comedians that do this kind of infinite milking, most of them just focus on one topic or story each linearly.

Who else distinctly with this style please?

Just noticed that early Louis C.K. was more personal storytelling-oriented then maybe starting around 2017, and especially in the last At the Dolby it was more toward general anthropology topics, like humanity, slavery, Jesus, etc. and it seems to be a nice parallel with George Carlin, giving the comedian some classical artwork/antiquity atmosphere.

Would this be because you get to run out of dynamic stories as you age at some point or rather about your perspective getting wider and wiser?

Any recommendable relatively young comics whose early work is already full of this kind of non-personal sweeping observations?

I think I always heard not to ask Americans about their relationship or marriage status even between close friends because society-wide it’s considered a rude question, but I browse subs like and keep seeing complaints of people asking “You’re still single? You don’t have kids? Won’t you regret that one day?”

So is there still explicit social pressure like that?