Originally posted by Beardface31:

VAC bans come from the detection of known cheats. VAC bans are permanent.

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Well because of steams rules I cant put any actual links here (because of steam policy against piracy), but regardless, you can play many GoldSRC games online in multiplayer for free.

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Originally posted by Beardface31:

VAC bans come from the detection of known cheats. VAC bans are permanent.

No Sh#t Sherlock

Originally posted by Beardface31:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

No Sh#t Sherlock

Great. You admit you cheated.

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Originally posted by Beardface31:

Great. You admit you cheated.

Great you admit on not reading even the first 2 sentances of the post

Originally posted by Beardface31:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Great you admit on not reading even the first 2 sentances of the post

I read it all..

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

So I have previously made post and a sarcastic guide how you can get yourself banned from Counter-strike 1.6 without using any cheats.

Basically many times you visited CS1.6 servers, there were custom scripts and content on that servers. Some of which stuck around, after you visited such server, and only way of deleting them was to verifyi integrity of gamefiles, which not everybdy knew how to do, or didn know sometime had changed, and therefore didn’t do that.
On steam forums, it seemed like many people didn’t disagree that by that method, someone not cheating can get banned, they seemed to disagree that I was one of them.
The consesus seemed to be that althoug this method can get legitimate players banned, most of the people getting banned were actual cheaters, and this was kind of a small price to pay for it.
Which in my opinion is kind of a twisted morality.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/601914224408796156/?ctp=3

How to get yourself VAC banned without using any cheats 

A Guide for Counter-Strike 2

By: Sir Mosjoo 🏴‍☠

This is a complete step by step guide to how to get VAC banned in any game without actually using any cheats.

Well what if it can be shown that this is method only bans legitimate players?


Nowadays websites have developed quite a bit even what they were in 10 years ago.
It is easy to search any 80s and 90s game from the web and play it directly trough your web-browser without installing anything whatsover.
So I was playing Super Mario Bros this way, then a thing crossed my mind: What if I search, “play half-life 1 online free without download”, what would I find?

Well because of steams rules I cant put any actual links here (because of steam policy against piracy), but regardless, you can play many GoldSRC games online in multiplayer for free.

This is because many of those GoldSRC-engine Valve games, actually predates Steam. So there is countless of non-steam versions out there, there is legitimate Half-life and Counter-strike non steam disc you can buy, some of which someone have been able to put on the internet to everyone to play.

But there is however another fun fact.
Some of these games allow you to download such a game to your PC so that you don’t have to play it trough website, which I wont recommend because it is against copyright and therefore should not be done.

However if someone would do that, they would find out that althougt they are the excaclty same to the legitimate copy of the game, most of them wont allow you to connect to VAC servers.

Well thats the thing. Most of them wont.

Here you can see video, of some person connecting to a VAC server, by using his Non-steam Counter-strike 1.6, which he has obtained by “alternative purchasing methods”
https://drive.proton.me/urls/5N11Y7DMG4#LIpek5TA3aAo

Here is video of someone connecting to Cs1.6 trough normal website on a normal firefox browser (URL of the said website censored)

https://drive.proton.me/urls/KHT86ANV58#xQI4pvCWSavw


So if someone would want to cheat, they can just use one of these Counter-strike clients, and if they get banned, they can just always reinstall it and cheat again,even in a VAC protected server.

When you get VAC banned from a single game using the steam version of said GoldSRC game. You get banned from all of the games that uses the same engine, as well as not being able to make steam guides for said games.

Your games multiplayer server list actually shows this red mark on every single server, not only VAC protected ones.
So you cant acces any servers by using that client, this includes non-steam server non-VAC servers and even those that allow cheating and are spesifically made for cheaters.
Here is screenshot of that:

https://imgur.com/a/0qie3bS
https://imgur.com/a/EiLLk0z

There is this famous Quote of Gabe Newell that says “Piracy is a service problem”
I agree whit that.
Now lets look at this thing from customers point of view.

They and all their friends which they share their game library can get permanently banned from their legitimately owned game which they paid actual money to get, even if none of them intentioanally cheats on VAC-protected server, if they forgot to verify integrity of gamefiles after the last game session.
.
When they do get banned, they are not only banned from said game, but any game that runs on the same engine, even though they have not even yet purchased such game.
When they do get banned, all of those games servers become unaccesible, even non-steam, non-VAC and even those that allow cheating, or encourage it, and they cant make steam guides or content or comment or rate such custom content on steam.
This ban is permanent, and wont be deleted, and cannot be negotiated, and disucussed with steam support.

Not only that but many games Like Counter-strike, does not have single player option, to play with bots, except the non-steam versions, so you cant basically play them at all, when this happens.

The steam ban is publicly shown in their profile, and every time they play well in some other game, they get accused of cheating because of it, and many people start bullying them for being cheaters, and they are unable to get a trust on the steam community because of it.

Or they can get the game for free illegitimaly, acces both VAC-protected servers, and those that are not, and they can cheat freely, whithout any consequences.
Sometimes they don’t even need to download said game, because they can just play it on thee web browser.
It also have ability to be modded much more, and has a single player with bots.


Now in my opinion the second option seems like a better service.


This is actually something cheaters and pirates are known for long, and have used for many years, this is also something Valve knows about, but does not seem to care.
And since cheaters know about this, they never get VAC xbanned on steam.

Many cheaters probly don’t like the fact that I make this know to the general public, but I don’t care.
I think they should not cheat in servers that don’t allow it, and they are ruining the fun for everyone.


Valve pls fix

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

So I have previously made post and a sarcastic guide how you can get yourself banned from Counter-strike 1.6 without using any cheats.

Basically many times you visited CS1.6 servers, there were custom scripts and content on that servers. Some of which stuck around, after you visited such server, and only way of deleting them was to verifyi integrity of gamefiles, which not everybdy knew how to do, or didn know sometime had changed, and therefore didn’t do that.
On steam forums, it seemed like many people didn’t disagree that by that method, someone not cheating can get banned, they seemed to disagree that I was one of them.
The consesus seemed to be that althoug this method can get legitimate players banned, most of the people getting banned were actual cheaters, and this was kind of a small price to pay for it.
Which in my opinion is kind of a twisted morality.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/601914224408796156/?ctp=3

How to get yourself VAC banned without using any cheats 

A Guide for Counter-Strike 2

By: Sir Mosjoo 🏴‍☠

This is a complete step by step guide to how to get VAC banned in any game without actually using any cheats.

Well what if it can be shown that this is method only bans legitimate players?


Nowadays websites have developed quite a bit even what they were in 10 years ago.
It is easy to search any 80s and 90s game from the web and play it directly trough your web-browser without installing anything whatsover.
So I was playing Super Mario Bros this way, then a thing crossed my mind: What if I search, “play half-life 1 online free without download”, what would I find?

Well because of steams rules I cant put any actual links here (because of steam policy against piracy), but regardless, you can play many GoldSRC games online in multiplayer for free.

This is because many of those GoldSRC-engine Valve games, actually predates Steam. So there is countless of non-steam versions out there, there is legitimate Half-life and Counter-strike non steam disc you can buy, some of which someone have been able to put on the internet to everyone to play.

But there is however another fun fact.
Some of these games allow you to download such a game to your PC so that you don’t have to play it trough website, which I wont recommend because it is against copyright and therefore should not be done.

However if someone would do that, they would find out that althougt they are the excaclty same to the legitimate copy of the game, most of them wont allow you to connect to VAC servers.

Well thats the thing. Most of them wont.

Here you can see video, of some person connecting to a VAC server, by using his Non-steam Counter-strike 1.6, which he has obtained by “alternative purchasing methods”
https://drive.proton.me/urls/5N11Y7DMG4#LIpek5TA3aAo

Here is video of someone connecting to Cs1.6 trough normal website on a normal firefox browser (URL of the said website censored)

https://drive.proton.me/urls/KHT86ANV58#xQI4pvCWSavw


So if someone would want to cheat, they can just use one of these Counter-strike clients, and if they get banned, they can just always reinstall it and cheat again,even in a VAC protected server.

When you get VAC banned from a single game using the steam version of said GoldSRC game. You get banned from all of the games that uses the same engine, as well as not being able to make steam guides for said games.

Your games multiplayer server list actually shows this red mark on every single server, not only VAC protected ones.
So you cant acces any servers by using that client, this includes non-steam server non-VAC servers and even those that allow cheating and are spesifically made for cheaters.
Here is screenshot of that:

https://imgur.com/a/0qie3bS
https://imgur.com/a/EiLLk0z

There is this famous Quote of Gabe Newell that says “Piracy is a service problem”
I agree whit that.
Now lets look at this thing from customers point of view.

They and all their friends which they share their game library can get permanently banned from their legitimately owned game which they paid actual money to get, even if none of them intentioanally cheats on VAC-protected server, if they forgot to verify integrity of gamefiles after the last game session.
.
When they do get banned, they are not only banned from said game, but any game that runs on the same engine, even though they have not even yet purchased such game.
When they do get banned, all of those games servers become unaccesible, even non-steam, non-VAC and even those that allow cheating, or encourage it, and they cant make steam guides or content or comment or rate such custom content on steam.
This ban is permanent, and wont be deleted, and cannot be negotiated, and disucussed with steam support.

Not only that but many games Like Counter-strike, does not have single player option, to play with bots, except the non-steam versions, so you cant basically play them at all, when this happens.

The steam ban is publicly shown in their profile, and every time they play well in some other game, they get accused of cheating because of it, and many people start bullying them for being cheaters, and they are unable to get a trust on the steam community because of it.

Or they can get the game for free illegitimaly, acces both VAC-protected servers, and those that are not, and they can cheat freely, whithout any consequences.
Sometimes they don’t even need to download said game, because they can just play it on thee web browser.
It also have ability to be modded much more, and has a single player with bots.


Now in my opinion the second option seems like a better service.


This is actually something cheaters and pirates are known for long, and have used for many years, this is also something Valve knows about, but does not seem to care.
And since cheaters know about this, they never get VAC xbanned on steam.

Many cheaters probly don’t like the fact that I make this know to the general public, but I don’t care.
I think they should not cheat in servers that don’t allow it, and they are ruining the fun for everyone.


Valve pls fix

lets summarize your whole thing into one short paragraph, by using chatgpt:

The main post argues that the way VAC is implemented for older GoldSRC games like Counter-Strike 1.6 is flawed and should be abolished because it can permanently ban legitimate players, not just cheaters. The author explains that visiting servers with custom content can leave leftover files that trigger VAC bans even without cheating, and also points out that non-Steam versions of these games let cheaters avoid VAC entirely while innocent players suffer permanent bans from multiple games and community features.



aaa, another user who is looking for reasons why the system is flawed, so instead of coming to a COMMUNITY ONLY forum, to tell Valve to fix a problem, how about you send a message directly to them. either message support (which i highly doubt they will send to proper people) or see link below, the section of "How do I report a new cheat?"

vacban - https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

lets summarize your whole thing into one short paragraph, by using chatgpt:

The main post argues that the way VAC is implemented for older GoldSRC games like Counter-Strike 1.6 is flawed and should be abolished because it can permanently ban legitimate players, not just cheaters. The author explains that visiting servers with custom content can leave leftover files that trigger VAC bans even without cheating, and also points out that non-Steam versions of these games let cheaters avoid VAC entirely while innocent players suffer permanent bans from multiple games and community features.



aaa, another user who is looking for reasons why the system is flawed, so instead of coming to a COMMUNITY ONLY forum, to tell Valve to fix a problem, how about you send a message directly to them. either message support (which i highly doubt they will send to proper people) or see link below, the section of "How do I report a new cheat?"

vacban - https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74

Because Valves official policy is not to repond any requeries about VAC ban. Already contacted them 10 years ago, got only the basic corporate answer of them having zero tolerance on cheating.

I also wanted to make this publicly know, why shouldnt i? This way both community and valve can see it.

I dont know whats the benefit on keeping this secret.
Now players know better wheather to purchase CS or not, based on the info i provided. I see it like a service to community.

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Because Valves official policy is not to repond any requeries about VAC ban. Already contacted them 10 years ago, got only the basic corporate answer of them having zero tolerance on cheating.

I also wanted to make this publicly know, why shouldnt i? This way both community and valve can see it.

I dont know whats the benefit on keeping this secret.
Now players know better wheather to purchase CS or not, based on the info i provided. I see it like a service to community.

look, having a guide or whatever, thats no problem, by all means have your guide or guides, where you go in detail. but posting in a forum full of people trying to appeal their bans, by end of the day or lets say, by the end of the week, your post will be couple pages deep (aka on page 20 or 30) and we all know that neither valve nor any other game dev will not be here looking at posts, and any other people won't be looking for any kind of post, as they will post for the sake of posting and not be bothered searching what is posted

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Because Valves official policy is not to repond any requeries about VAC ban. Already contacted them 10 years ago, got only the basic corporate answer of them having zero tolerance on cheating.

I also wanted to make this publicly know, why shouldnt i? This way both community and valve can see it.

I dont know whats the benefit on keeping this secret.
Now players know better wheather to purchase CS or not, based on the info i provided. I see it like a service to community.

look, having a guide or whatever, thats no problem, by all means have your guide or guides, where you go in detail. but posting in a forum full of people trying to appeal their bans, by end of the day or lets say, by the end of the week, your post will be couple pages deep (aka on page 20 or 30) and we all know that neither valve nor any other game dev will not be here looking at posts, and any other people won't be looking for any kind of post, as they will post for the sake of posting and not be bothered searching what is posted

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

look, having a guide or whatever, thats no problem, by all means have your guide or guides, where you go in detail. but posting in a forum full of people trying to appeal their bans, by end of the day or lets say, by the end of the week, your post will be couple pages deep (aka on page 20 or 30) and we all know that neither valve nor any other game dev will not be here looking at posts, and any other people won't be looking for any kind of post, as they will post for the sake of posting and not be bothered searching what is posted

Well i am not trying to appeal my ban at any point in this post, maybe next time read the whole thing, or even first 2 sebtances before commenting

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

look, having a guide or whatever, thats no problem, by all means have your guide or guides, where you go in detail. but posting in a forum full of people trying to appeal their bans, by end of the day or lets say, by the end of the week, your post will be couple pages deep (aka on page 20 or 30) and we all know that neither valve nor any other game dev will not be here looking at posts, and any other people won't be looking for any kind of post, as they will post for the sake of posting and not be bothered searching what is posted

Why would i care to appel my ban?

I mean i literally show you on this post, how i acces VAC protected CS servers, despite of my VAC ban. My profile is also full of screenshots of me playing the games where i am VAC banned, in normal multiplayer without any issue.

Literally anybody can play in all of their half-life1 engine games, fine multiplayer, fine despite the VAC ban.

Nothing would change whatsover, if that would happen.

Originally posted by JacquesPatat:

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Well i am not trying to appeal my ban at any point in this post, maybe next time read the whole thing, or even first 2 sebtances before commenting

Originally posted by The Mosjoo:

Why would i care to appel my ban?

I mean i literally show you on this post, how i acces VAC protected CS servers, despite of my VAC ban. My profile is also full of screenshots of me playing the games where i am VAC banned, in normal multiplayer without any issue.

Literally anybody can play in all of their half-life1 engine games, fine multiplayer, fine despite the VAC ban.

Nothing would change whatsover, if that would happen.

Looks like you going back to how you gone on in your first thread. Now, I'm not going to do this backwards and forward thing again.

Now I going to answer this once, yes you can have whatever issue you have, yes you can have as many guides as you want, but by the end of the day, you know as good as I know that valve won't be here looking at threads, and other people are quick to make posts, so your thread will be a few pages back, or lost in between all oth threads and no, I did not mention or talk about you appealing the ban. As that was discussed in your first thread, in this thread it is being discussed the issue you have regarding the system and websites and your guide