They mashed together the DualShock and Dreamcast's controller.

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>>12648131
scroll wheel penis

>>12648128
It's simple as this. They just copied what worked.
GOAT console controller though.

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>>12648131
I unironically love all their weird directinput controllers, i miss those days of playing zsnes with your weird microsoft gamepad

>>12648131
>>12648146
Man I hated the time when you couldn't find a PC controller without the fucked, mushy D-pads like those.

>>12648157
I understand that take, but I was happy to play free SNES games without using the keyboard. It felt like i'd cheated the universe.

>>12648159
It was the same for me with the Gravis Gamepad, which also had a mushy D-pad and strangely also came with a stick you could screw into it to play it like a mini arcade control, which amplified the problem tenfold. Shit was still kino to emulate with a controller on PC at the time.

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>>12648126 (OP)
they copied the final form and just made it legally distinct (worse)

>>12648202
>worse
t. tiny hands

>>12648202
This. Using an offset analog stick is more comfortable than using an offset dpad like the Xbox has.

>>12648202
PS1 and PS2 controllers feel like hugging an anorexic woman. Xbox controller is thick and smooth. It actually feels good to hold.

>>12648126 (OP)
>the final form of the gamepad
doesnt exist, the best gamepad for a 3d game and a 2d game cannot be the same.

>>12648461
sure it can, see >>12648202
it's literally a snes pad, but with handles, and analog sicks in a different spot

>>12648126 (OP)
by making the sticks assymetrical like god intended

>>12648474
>and analog sicks in a different spot
which makes using them worse

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>>12648202
Sony could have done it before, but now they're stuck with this controller which is their brand image.

>>12648496
absolutely cursed

>>12648504
i've never been one to say "cursed" but i looked at >>12648496
and that's all i could think of, like that is just wrong.

>>12648131
>>12648146
Does the microclit feel good?

>>12648336
Try not gorilla palming it monkey boy

>>12648157
Thanks nintendo

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>>12648504
>>12648510
Wrong in what way?
Using a joystick for 3D games??

Sega placed its joystick correctly.
Nintendo placed its joystick correctly.
Microsoft placed its joystick correctly.
Sony kept its D-pad for 2D games.

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>>12648126 (OP)
>>12648202
>>12648534
*ahem*

>>12648345
The Xbox analog stick layout makes the most sense for games that use it.
if game uses a dpad to a significant extend, you just use a SNES/Saturn controller.

>>12648575
best timeline

>>12648126 (OP)
>final form
>next Xbox controller moved the B and W buttons to the shoulders like Sony did 10 years earlier

>>12648336
A smaller controller means more reach and more dexterity in your fingers.

>>12648202
kek

>>12648516
Fuck I forgot that was why. You have to wonder how much better console and even handheld gaming could have been by now if not for Nintendo's patent bullshit.

>>12648534
Nobody holds controllers like this you black ape gorilla freak

>>12648772
holy schizo

>>12648202
I'll probably always prefer this layout. I played Xbox and Gamecube at my friends' houses, but I didn't own a console with asymmetrical sticks until like '05-'06 when I got my own GC. It's too ingrained at this point, from NES to PS3.

>>12648496
I cannot stand using a lower d-pad for extended periods of time like I can a stick, for some reason. I'm fine with left-over-right asymmetry, but the opposite will leave me feeling uncomfortable without fail. I think any platform that has a considerable amount of 2D or menuing games needs a d-pad up top, so the DS was a good move.

Everyone kvetching ITT about the left d-pad/stick placement have probably used both extensively and barely noticed the difference, yet here they are trying to convince everyone that one way or the other is superior. This is called cognitive dissonance.

Cory Delaminguez would say otherwise

>>12648575
that's if 9/11 never happened

Are people who complain about stick placement just less evolved or something? Like physically? Do they lack opposability in their thumbs or something? I have never felt discomfort from having to bend my thumb to touch a control stick like they seem to.

>>12648813
Fully extend your thumb, move it around, notice how it doesn't move perfectly smoothly and clicks in and out of positions, now bend your thumb at a 90 degree angle and move it, notice how it moves smoothly without hindrance. It's that simple.

>>12648842
It boggles the mind. I could switch between a PS2 and OG Xbox controller day by day and not miss a beat. I do like that the Xbox controller is so thick but the difference isn't that big a deal. I play something with the PS2 controller for 5 minutes and I've already stopped thinking about it.
Then again, 4chan would die overnight if not for the complaint threads.

>>12648867
I'm not saying this couldn't be an issue for some people, but in most cases a minor adjustment to the way you hold the controller is all you need. Personally, I don't know how anyone can play with either controller centered on their lap. The extended handles are there so you can anchor the controller against your thigh, which gives you maximum control and minimizes the impact/reverberations from fast button presses.

>>12648534
see, the problem with the dreamcast controller on full display. god i hate that controller.

>>12648575
metroid... on dreamcast 2?

>>12648602
that was a mistake, although putting them in the L4/R4 positions like the 8bitdo pro would be a step up

>>12648575
why is there start/select on the top and on the side?

>>12648126 (OP)
The final form of the gamepad are those where you can pop out the stick and the dpad and swap their positions whenever you want. Its a shame that modular concept seemingly died

The duke and the S are both great but the dpad was absolute shit, anyone who used it as an emulation box knew this the moment they played older games on it.
>Ergonomics argument about the placement
Who fucking cares. People have been sperging about this shit for decades in either direction, when its just a matter of personal preference. Both are natural positions that people gravitate to one way or the other.

>>12648740
Couldn't they have copied Sega's d-pad instead?

Nothing beats the dualshocks. I really like the Dualshock 4, it's weighted just right.
I have an xbox controller on my lap though. They're cheap, only reason I have it.

>>12648534
What is the image trying to say? I don't see any consistent criteria for determining red vs green

>>12649757
Thumbs are at different angles in red.

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>>12649769
"My right arm is a LOT stronger than my left arm."

>>12649769
>Thumbs are at different angles in red
Different from each other or different from the other group of controllers?
Neither of those looks to be true

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>>12649757
>>12649787
STOP. LIKING. PLAYSTATION.

>>12649787
They're trying to argue that Sony's thumbstick placement is unnatural, since it has your thumb at a different angle than most other controllers. Something that took people less time to adjust to than remembering the face button order for most people, but their tism doesn't allow them to adjust the directions their thumb moves. Its the same spacial retardation that prevents people from being able to use tank controls, they can't imagine not having a precalibrated due north.

>>12649793
I appreciate you sharing your opinion because I get to address to retarded points at once. Just like tank controls noone is having a mental block over a stick placement and cant comprehend it. The argument has always been and will always be that the dualshock stick placement and tank controls are just objectively worse. Its that simple.

>>12649808
>noone is having a mental block over a stick placement and cant comprehend it
Cope
>The argument has always been and will always be that the dualshock stick placement and tank controls are just objectively worse.
Considering its an opinion based argument, there is no objective standard. The reason people assume you're retarded or autistic is because you can't understand such a simple principle.

>>12649808
I have an xbox series S in my hand right now.
Natural thumb position is on the d-pad. Apparently I hold the controller at an angle.
Dualshock is best.

>>12649219
Thats symphony of the night's map you troglodyte. Lurk moar.

>>12649793
>They're trying to argue that Sony's thumbstick placement is unnatural, since it has your thumb at a different angle than most other controllers
Then NES should be red because the right thumb is more horizontal than Sony's thumbs?

>>12649831
Its specifically focused on the left thumb with autismal focus. The right thumb changes continuously and once the right stick is introduced many games start to make the default position on the stick rather than the face buttons so it kills their argument. The only way to take the argument as genuine is to assume they cannot stand having any variation in the direction they press their thumb with their orientation when moving. More likely its just argument bait shitposting though.

>>12648146
I didn't, they sucked.

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>>12648131
>get mad and throw controller
>it suddenly reverses direction and comes back to you

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>>12648146
I grew up with this, it is kino.

microsoft fully committing to ideal analog ergonomics made sense given their scant japanese support and focus on cutting edge western games.
the ps2 still having a very significant 2d niche with fighting games and other digitally controlled japanese genres it was reasonable to trade suboptimal analog placement for a usable dpad this paid off even more so with the retro indie boom in the seventh gen.
so you never need to shitpost about it again.

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>>12648131

>>12648126 (OP)
>>12648602
It's weird how people seem to forget bumpers weren't standard until the 7th gen.

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>>12650554
you mean shoulder buttons?

>>12650569
Bumpers as in the buttons that sit alongside triggers.

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>>12650578
not sure what you mean

>>12650652
gamecube and xbox didnt have it

>>12649712
those are extra function buttons on the side

>>12648202
Even the playstation controllers have copied the ergonomics of xbox controllers (post duke)

>>12651142
i wouldn't know, i haven't used a console newer than the original xbox

>>12650652
he meant standardized, not first invented

>>12651359
ok, how did the xbox controller, something without two shoulder buttons per side, standardise something the playstation had been doing 11 years before the xbox 360 came out?

>>12651373
he said 2 bumpers (aka shoulder buttons) were not yet in all 3 brands together until 7th gen, PS3 Xbox 360 Wii, because 6th gen they were missing from Xbox Gamecube

>>12648126 (OP)
Take Dreamcast controller
Add a second stick

That was it.

Oh the DC controller still works natively on all Xbox's, if you run the gambit of daisy chaining adapters the Xbox will understand the inputs.
Test it for yourself.

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I pick the gigachad, perfect form, shape.
Asymmetrical controller is an abomination, an affront to the laws of nature.

The playstation controller's design deserves credit for the console's success. It's the most successful retro console of all time because it got everything right, including the controller. Not only the design, but also very durable and robust. Mine still fucking works.

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I wish it was more fun to use.

>>12650652
Those are 2 shoulder buttons, not a bumper and a trigger.

>>12649757
This was legitimately bothering me for like a minute straight

>>12651881
a trigger is just an ergonomic shoulder button. Nintendo even called their L and R on GCN "buttons"

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>>12648131
BRING BACK THE FUN

(directinput is based)

>>12648126 (OP)
Not quite. The black and white buttons should have been shoulder buttons.

>>12653870
controller s is like 95% there man

>>12648516
>>12648740
>B-B-BUT NINTENDO
there were plenty of other perfectly good d-pads that weren't patented
keep seething, snoys

>>12651430
>That was it.
the select button and two extra face buttons forgotten

>>12652348
that's because the shoulders on gamecube controllers are triggers *and* buttons.

pressure sensitive, long travel triggers, then a clickable button at the end of the travel. not many games fully utilized this functionality, but the ones that did were fucking great (like rogue leader).

>>12656564
Nintendo used to make cool controllers. Sad.

>>12648126 (OP)
They deliberately broke the DirectInput implementation on their cheap, PC compatible controller to force Xinput.
DirectInput on the 360 pad scrambled the buttons, unified the triggers into a single axis and cut rumble, all of which was fixed in 3rd party drivers, so it's not like this was a hard limitation.
With the limitations of Xinput being tailored exactly to the 360 controller and rebinding on ports becoming increasingly broken and lazy, there just wasn't any room for anything else without using third party tools, so most people picked up 360 controllers to play broken games.
>>12650712
Gamecube had a lonely bumper.

>>12651542
Ive dropped this fucker accidentally on a hardwood floor and a big chunk broke clean off.

>>12648126 (OP)
is it possible to have these joysticks not rub off on your fingers

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>>12648126 (OP)
I hate the standard layout.
Would it be that hard to just do this again and make it a little more ergonomic so I can play n64 games on the same controller as everything else

>>12657728
Yes, wash your hands and stop being a greasy neckbeard.

Xbox controller is way comfier than ps controllers.

But it depends on the size of your hands I guess

>>12648126 (OP)
Xbox was lucky that had a second team working on the controller S for Japan so they only had to ship the Duke for under a year.

>>12648126 (OP)

They copied off Sega who copied off Nintendo and then commissioned a caucasian ergonmics team to improve it, and then iterated from there. There's no better controller feel than Xbox one. It's like holding my own penis.

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>>12662297
>Sega who copied off Nintendo
you sure about that

>>12648131
>>12648146
They were shaped like boomerangs so they would come back after you threw them.

>>12648126 (OP)
It's literally just a playstation controller with the d-pad and left stick swapped position

>>12662446
Xbox only has one set of shoulder buttons and they're analog.
Start/Back are placed differently than Star/Select.
There are two extra face buttons.
There are slots for memory cards.

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>>12662297
>It's like holding my own penis.
i've been suckin and fuckin this guy for years and i can confirm 100%, the xbox controller is just like holding his fat, juicy, delicious penis

>>12662556
wowe can i join

>>12662446
Not even close to true, ps2 didn't even have triggers and the ergonomics are the worst in history. It has more in common with the Saturn 3D controller.

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>>12662904
>ps2 didn't even have triggers
?

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>>12663135
-- and even if you mean analog/pressure sensitive, all of these buttons are

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>>12663139
it's the amount of travel, bonehead. you wouldn't call the ibm nipple an "analog stick".

>>12663241
i wouldn't? why wouldn't i? i've beated people at UT'99 using an IBM® TrackPoint™

>>12662207
People who weren't there don't seem to release that almost no one who had an xbox had a duke

>>12663253
i beat doom with a dpad, which is basiclly an analog stick if you have long inputs add up in an inertial variable

The 360 pad should have kept the white and black buttons and still added bumpers

>>12663591
it should have made them larger and moved them

>>12663241
The N64 Z button was called a "trigger" just because of how you used it and it was literally just a binary on or off button. Zoomer scumbag.

>>12663351
I went out of my way having only found one new at a K-Mart back in the day cause I liked the feel of the duke at the demo stations. But ya only pretty much launch NA Xbox ever came packed with the Duke and they pulled them off shelves pretty fast too.

>>12663707
false advertising

>>12663707
1. a trigger is an ergonomic shoulder button 2. sony is not

>>12663903
cope. a trigger is something you wrap an index finger over and pull to activate. a shoulder button.

>>12664268
ok you're def retarded

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>>12648131
hey guys