i do genuinely think it’s absurd the standard that israel is held to. hezbollah bombards israel with rockets for over a year, starting on the day hamas attacked israel on october 7th, but as soon as israel responds militarily it’s admonished as an escalation. iran funds proxies not only to foment chaos and instability in the middle east, but also to maintain plausible deniability while still technically managing to attack israel, and people act like there is no reason at all whatsoever for israel to go to war with them. i can’t think of any other nation in the world that is expected to just turn the other cheek to constant acts of war waged against it because the groups attacking them are so weak that you can technically get by on just ignoring them. and somehow the rest of the world has failed to catch up to the fact that post-october 7th israel now treats every threat as equally urgent, because despite being content ignoring hamas lobbing rockets over the border daily because they were so weak, hamas still managed to plan and carry out the attack on october 7th.
the most egregious part of it is that no other country would tolerate this but they expect us to
And it “”“hurts”“” our position because our government uses exorbanant amounts of money to keep our citizens from dying so conflicts look one sided cuz none of our enemies care about protecting their civilians
evalescence said:
It’s not a “standard” Israel is being held to. It is the logic and messaging of those who want the Jews to be extinguished. And to many it is a seductive message.
deerhoundwhippetcollie said:
@rosalesbeausderholle “Invading someone else’s land” …yeah, you’re just stupid. Leftists are all for land back, until it’s Jews who’ve “taken” their land back. Jews returned to the region and the Arab Muslims pulled back en masse in order to ring the Jewish people in and attempt to destroy them. That’s your fucking Nakba. Read a textbook instead of a propaganda TikTok page, you imbecile.
rosalesbeausderholle said:
Iran has a totalitarian regime, I am well aware (put there in place by the US btw! Who also backs Israel for their own interests in the Middle East), killing of protesters is horrible, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions towards Palestine and its people. You say “well zionism is only about jewish self-determination, not killing anyone” but this self-determination requires invading someone else’s land and kicking them out or killing them to make space for you! That’s a genocidal ideology! It doesn’t become less morally reprehensible just because they haven’t killed as many people as they could have! What the fuck? Do you say that about anything else?
rosalesbeausderholle said:
@shofarsogood Iran has a totalitarian regime, I am well aware (put there in place by the US btw! Who also backs Israel for their own interests in the Middle East), killing of protesters is horrible, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions towards Palestine and its people. You say “well zionism is only about jewish self-determination, not killing anyone” but this self-determination requires invading someone else’s land and kicking them out or killing them to make space for you! That’s a genocidal ideology! It doesn’t become less morally reprehensible just because they haven’t killed as many people as they could have! What the fuck? Do you say that about anything else?
shofarsogood said:
@rosalesbeausderholle No, it doesn’t. Zionism has nothing to do with Palestine. It’s about Jews and Jews having self determination.
You’re using the word Zionism to mean kahanism, and even that isn’t nearly as genocidal as you claim.
Let me clear this up for you: Iran killed more protesters in a week than Israel killed Palestinians in three years. In a WEEK. And the Israeli military is better equipped than Iran’s military. Russia and the RSF have both caused brutal massacres that killed more people in a day than Israel has ever killed in one day. If Israel was actively trying to wipe out Palestinians, they would have. Genocide is easy to do. Not killing civilians is difficult.
