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[–]squatch42 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Obi-Wan just thought the others were ineffective weaklings that didn't stand a chance.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That makes sense

[–]DarfWork 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't know that Obi-Wan think of Quinlan as weak, but that guy has other things going on. Not to mention his last assassination mission didn't exactly go well and probably left traces...

I don't think he think of Ventress as weak either but Ventres is crucially not a Jedi.

[–]ShortBussyDriver 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Obi-Wan also had no idea Ventress was alive.

Last he knew she was killed by Dooku and buried by Vos.

[–]wookieebastard 28 points29 points  (11 children)

Maybe, we all interpreted like Obi Wan was saying Luke was the last one, but what he meant was that he was the only one who could match Vader's power and defeat him. He knew about Leia obviously, for some reason... he didn't consider her.

Maybe he wasn't considering other possible Jedi that were around.

It still kinda weird that none of those Jedi got really involved with the Rebellion. I don't know many of those mentioned in the list. But still. It's not Obi Wan's quote that irks me, it's the fact that them being around and not doing anything is kinda strange.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Yeah, Ahsoka feels most weird being absent around time of ESB or ROTJ. but rest of them not so much, they were most likely dead by that time.

[–]Akamiso29 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is that time period not covered by any media at the moment?

If so, it may be a great direction for the show to go in. Do some flashbacks of what she was up to then.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe they will in Ahsoka 2, We will see

[–]wookieebastard 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, Ahsoka has become a problem. It'd have been great for the story to have her killed by Anakin/Vader.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, it made sense why she wasnt there when she "died" and well, Dave made her survive, haha

[–]Zkang123 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I think it's possible that many people of the Galaxy dont exactly trust the Jedi. Even if they are against the Empire, they were still wary of the Jedi coming back and interfering in Galactic affairs, as they did before. So it's no wonder they might be generally skeptical of any surviving Jedi being among the Rebellion ranks.

There was certainly the Path and what Cal Kestis and Quinlan Vos did, but it's also likely it was liquidated by the Inquisitors and Vader

Perhaps some did try to offer joining, but Bail probably advised them to stay out because of the growing heat

[–]wookieebastard 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I like this explanation very much.

Maybe in the collective imagination, Jedi were not trusted because in theory, they tried to overthrow the Republic and responsible for the rise of the Empire. Also, many others (like Han) believed it was all nonsense, a scam basically.

That'd explain why they'd just wanted to stay hidden. And it'd also improve Luke too, all fresh and ready to go, excited and anxious for adventure, but most of all, very naive.

[–]Zkang123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they also probably dont see the Jedi as great. Han and Cassian have shown skeptism in the Force. I mean, the Jedi was probably said to have great powers. But then overnight, as they tried to pull a coup, they were all eradicated. So whatever prowess they had were all just a myth to the wider Galaxy as a whole

Also, the truth of Order 66 was only known around the sequel trilogy. Leia's bid as Chancellor went sideways when an opponent revealed she was Vader's daughter

[–]wookieebastard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know that about Leia. That’s really interesting and very true to life. It adds depth to her story and the mechanics of the New Republic in the new canon.

[–]TheJusticeAvenger 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He knew about Leia obviously, for some reason... he didn't consider her.

I took it that at the point where Obi-Wan remarked that Luke was their last hope (ESB), Luke had already had around 3 years of informal Jedi training by Obi-Wan and Yoda, while Leia had obviously had zero. Given that the Empire had already managed to complete a working Death Star 3 years prior, and were about to finish a second one, attempting to "start from scratch" and begin training Leia in the Force may have been way too late before the Empire consolidated ultimate power over the galaxy.

[–]wookieebastard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. It was kind of a shitty decision by Obi Wan. Instead of having two Jedi, he bet all his chips on Luke.

[–]Bobrexal 8 points9 points  (1 child)

“When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be” -Yoda

“…except the other dozen or so ones running around, and Ashoka but she isn’t in the Jedi order anymore so she doesn’t count anyway. Yea. Besides them. The last you are”. -Yoda probably

[–]UnknownQTY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yoda is just giving Luke a locker room pump up talk.

[–]Gravedigger124 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well Obi Wan probably didn't know and most of them refused to continue training in fear of the empire. They hid themselves among nlrmal people changed theri names and stopped fighting.

[–]4thofeleven 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it's not as though Obi-Wan and Yoda had, I don't know, some kind of psychic Force that might give them information...

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe they used Space Facebook and saw, that no other friends were active anymore, haha

[–]admlesauJedi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I always thought it was a reference to Luke / Leia being the only ones with the potential power to stop Palpatine and Vader

[–]EnkiduOdinsonImperial 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don’t understand why we would think that a purge is instantaneous. Of course some survive. And as you say, most die at some point. So they don’t actually survive the purge.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Jedi were all across the galaxy. It makes sense, that they cant kill everybody at the same time

[–]wookieebastard 10 points11 points  (5 children)

They need to bring Kyle Katarn back.

Somehow Kyle Katarn showed up.

It's that easy.

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would love to see that badass again!

[–]Anangrywookiee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Kyle Katarn was too powerful so he had to be split into multiple different characters like Cal and Cassian.

[–]ShrivSuurgav 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is he just kanan

[–]HellbirdVT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're not really very similar, Kanan just has a small amount of Kyle Katarn in his visual design.

Their backstory, personalities and personal journeys don't really bear any resemblance.

[–]Ok-Future-5257 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Wasn't he in Outlaws?

[–]LanceCharger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The "only hope" is not because Luke is some Rey in the Force. The meaning of the line is that Luke is Vader's son. Luke is the only being, other than Leia, who could crack Darth Vader and bring out Anakin.

[–]VanguardVixen 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The problem here is intent. George Lucas didn't made the original movies with the intent that there is a galaxy chock full of Jedi. Of course over time while working on something, things can change but the three movies still made it very clear that the viewer should know, that Luke is the Alpha and Omega, the last of the old order, the first of the new.

It's not exactly great to retroactively say the characters either lied or had no clue. You can do that once with Obi-Wan and Vader but it's not great if it becomes a theme. Suddenly you have to question everything originally on-screen, instead of just one scene.

[–]ZiroLeHutt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its also Lucas who came up with the number of Jedi being at around 10,000 by the time Order 66 happens. So even IF there are 70 Jedi/active force users around by Endor, that's still a tiny amount in comparison, and they'll be each doing their own thing.

[–]Jinn_Erik-AoM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, Yoda knows that other Jedi are alive, but he understands that keeping their secrets keeps them safe, so he may not have shared that information with anyone. He may have told Force ghost Kenobi, because who is he going to tell? Or they may have agreed that this was a job for the Chosen One, of whom, they had two candidates.

[–]wendigo72 [score hidden]  (1 child)

But Jedi survivors were still showing up all over the place DAY 1 of legends

They simply couldn’t just make Luke the only one for the franchise

[–]VanguardVixen [score hidden]  (0 children)

True they did, it slowly crept in and I am sure even Lucas thought "well it is not that bad to have one pop up from hiding". But it sure wasn't the intent to have dozens upon dozens of them and Yoda and Ben being clueless or lying in their dialogue of the movie.

[–]evel333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody address the retirees and Jedi training washouts no doubt scattered all throughout the galaxy and beyond. All still force sensitive and still able to pass on what they have learned.

[–]Sparrowhawk_92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm very curious how the story of the Path is going to play out. We know the Empire is aware of them during Obi-wan Kenobi and I don't forsee them giving up the hunt that easily.

The fact that there's been zero mention of them in the post-RotJ content makes me have some suspicions.

Also, other than Marrok (who very well might be a Nightsister Zombie) are there any Inquisitors that show up in the post-Imperial Era?

[–]questionable_salad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a couple things, Lucas designing a trilogy around Luke's hero journey, adding other jedi in the prequel era and cohesion within the canon of the story thats developed over 50 years. Plus the wants of real life fans who love jedi and lightsabers in modern day.

You can think of the post-order 66 jedi survivors as soft retcons to George's ideas from decades earlier. At the time, no one expected any expanded lore to lock themselves into later down the road in 2026.

Plus we're fans who are hyper-aware of this, remember the star wars galaxy in universe has a massive population of hundreds of billions of beings in it. Even during the clone war, most people had never seen a jedi or even really knew that much about what a jedi was.

I do agree they should slow down the number of post order 66 jedi stories and they shouldnt exceed a number of around 200. But the true number will always be vague.

[–]NoPistons7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why is Maul and Darth Maul on the same list?

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, my mistake

[–]Stakex007 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The obvious problem with all of this is that there is plenty of other stuff added to the canon in recent years that make it so Obi-Wan definitely SHOULD have known about the other Jedi.... and eventually it gets to a point where there were easily enough survivors for them to have regrouped and attempted to defeat Palpatine, instead of all just running off into hiding.

We just have to accept that at the time of the OT, the Jedi weren't supposed to be a massive "Order" with many thousands of knights... they were supposed to be semi-nomadic space monks that were few in numbers. Lucas changed them into more of an established organization as time went on and now Disney has decided that a somewhat comical number have survived over the years. Each individual story is fine... but it's really best not to think too much about if it all makes sense together.

[–]Grouchy_Resource_727 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's about the bloodline

[–]wendigo72 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with you, even if some Jedi like Gungi aren’t dead by time of ROTJ

there’s little evidence he’s out there fighting the empire or would be on frontline of anything like that. Especially since he was only a youngling when Jedi order was around

Also ones like Ventress and Lyco aren’t doing shit to Vader or emperor lol

[–]Term_BestObi-Wan Kenobi -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Rahm Kota and Starkiller?

[–]Santa-Saurus[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I included Canon, not Legends, that would be hard to do 😃

[–]LoFiTae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But starkiller is so goated though he deserves to be on the list. That’s my boy. Plus Sam Witwer.

[–]ThunderSparkles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus Christ.

Yeah even Jesus will end up on this list.

[–]LeadingHelicopter781 [score hidden]  (0 children)

He was right.. from a certain point of view