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Because liberal is libtard
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Because its kosher pilled, just look at my country
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Because it's gay
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>I don't care how degenerate you are as long as you're not hurting anybody
Do you not see how bad this can affect soyciety
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Because libertarianism is a meme ideology that was invented by a bunch of kikes (not even exaggerating) to trick right wingers into adopting insane globohomo views
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>>3502394They are hurting people by hurting themselves.
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ALERT ALERT GOLD IS TRANSITIONING INTO A GAY TRANNY FAGGOT ALERT ALERT
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>Blackrock can replace you at your work with an indian and kick you out of your house that you were renting from them for 80% of your paycheck (they bought up all the property) becase that's heckin free market, and if you disagree with that - leftypol is down the hall and to the left, you damn chinese spy
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>>3502406>gay tranny faggot is transitioning into a gay tranny faggotok
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>>3502423trvthnvke, we need to do something to get trans braps to stop larping soy culture
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>>3502423They do say this and look like this tbh
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>>3502423Trowing commies to the sea was kind of giga doe
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I>>3502394
Actually, the government is the only thing preventing me from killing tranny pedophile groomers
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>>3502472We live in coepotocracy and democratic hellholes with extreme regulations and welfare. Answer me how is this capitalism's fault?
The free market is unironically the best way to dismantle monopolies.
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>>3502472Capitalism is when muh government giving power to Jewish corporations
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>>3502486Russian nigga you should be the one to know, your country is literally banned and sanctioned from trading shit just because of retarded state conflicts
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>>3502491It's like saying trannies are real women, dude.
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>>3502472Faggots are a danger to society, the government is stopping me from shooting all of them.
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>>3502503Nigga you Slavs got raped by socialism and big government, and yet you think capitalism is causing you all this trouble? Your ancestors died for nothing, then.
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>>3502509There will still be government-ran police in the lolbertarian utopia, stupid. If you want to abolish police that's anarchism, THE most retarded ideology to ever exist.
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>>3502509Why waste previous ammo when you can just deport them to be he fucking wilderness and let bears eat them? They can't reproduce or groom children there.
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>>3502518And yet having a system where there's a government which is the MONOPOLY of judicial power and justified violence is NOT utopian? Lmao?
I thought "muh monopolies bad!"
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>>3502515Misrepresented my point award
Somehow managed to lose to his own strawman award
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>>3502528What the fuck are you talking about, you're genuinely brain damaged
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>>3502509You're violating the NAP buddy
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>>3502540Faggots are a danger to society
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>>3502528go back to obsessing over spic fuentes acked braps, your boorutranny filenames reveal you
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>>3502529You didn't even read a lick about libertarian / ancap ideology, retard.
"AnCap is when no fucking self defense!!!' even thought here WILL be judicial services as well as private security as provided by the free market (in an endlessly more efficient way without the use of coercion, as all free market services work.)
Also AnCap is the real form of libertarianism. Minarchists are still very statist. (Basically classical liberals)
Why are Slavs just such low IQ niggers???
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>>3502544That's not how the NAP works
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>>3502547Faggots psychically harm me by existing therefore it's okay to shoot them.
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>>3502547That's why I said they should just be deported instead. Any serious private property society will just fuckng kick them out into the woods or into their own aids den (where they can fucking rot.)
Their existence is propped up by the government anyway.
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>>3502544You saying "Faggots are a danger to society" will not change the fact that you killing faggots will go against the core principles of libertarianism and will lead you to being sentenced to death in the libertarian court of justice
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>>3502529That literally IS any statist ideology. You are saying there should be a coercive monopoly of judicial and protective services (monopoly of force.)
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>>3502555>"I'm so smart because I argue even without knowing anything about my opponent">Reddit space You're sounding like leftists here, nigga
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Because lolbertarians are all pedophiles geg
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>>3502551So your libertarian society is going to band together against a minority against their wishes to expel them from their rightfuly owned lands? Wow, sounds pretty statist!
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>>3502568Ever heard of physical removal? No it's not force, just harassment, ostracism and contract law (fulfilling freedom of association.)
I already said they can rot in their own fucking pit where no one trades with them if they want. They'll all die without the State anyway.
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>>3502579Lmao this is so retarded you're literally looking to bypass and find loopholes in your own very doctrine in the form of the NAP to achieve something a gigachad national socialist could easily solve by putting all faggots in concentration camps
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>>3502617theres no better combination that libertards and loopholes, just like jews with the sabbath
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>>3502617Have you read Hoppe? Hell, even Rothbard hints towards physical removal.
It is literally the fulfilment of freedom of (dis)association.
Private property literally implies exclusion for any reason.
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don't argue with lolbertardians just make fun of them
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yeah fries
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>>3502665Is the free market building pedo camps to recruit more pedos?
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'p markets, caca prostitution & mass immigration is the free market at work btw
destroy kikepitalism
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>>3502404>>3502423I am convinced that you visit r/politicsplay to goon to liberterians being sissified by communists.
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>>3502778I never claimed it as a fact. Simply an opinion
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Most niggas ITT are retarded.
There is a clear difference between financial libertarianism (no taxes, free market trade) and cultural libertarianism (AKA neoliberalism, AKA "Live and let live"). What most supporters on this thread are advocating for is the former, which allows for free exchange of goods and services, higher competition, and more premium goods and services at lower prices. I severely doubt they are arguing the latter, because:
1) They are on the fucking Sharty, everyone here is conservative.
2) In order for a country to have any standing whatsoever, enforcing conservative ideas like large, healthy families, religious attendance and cultural cohesion is non-negotiable.
Most of progressivism works parasitically, feeding off of the past hard work of people who actually gave a shit about society and by promoting ideas that directly harm it (Atheism, sexual "freedom", etc.). The only reason why shitlibs can attack the nuclear family, Christianity, and promote homosexuality and degeneracy without having society immediately crumble is mostly due to the hard cultural influencers of the past and present. After 80 years of doing just that, the Western world is already showing its cracks with a higher cost of living, more government regulation, higher rates of immigration, lower religiosity and lower social trust. Coincidence? Not at all.
That's why most serious libertarian thinkers (Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Lew Rockwell) advocate for cultural conservatism and not "Live and let live" libertarianism in tandem with radical free market trade, because they understand that these conservative ideas (large, healthy families, religious attendance, cultural cohesion) are necessary for any country to function. If you lack these important elements, it doesn't matter if you have the best economy in the world, your country implodes in on itself. Paleolibertarianism, in particular, places a large emphasis on the cultural aspect of being right-libertarian.
Now, just because you respect the other person's autonomy doesn't mean that you approve of a degenerate's behavior. If you don't like someone's behavior, you can still condemn the acts that they commit, criticize them, explain how they undermine the social fabric of society, and refuse to engage in markets that promote such ideas. In fact, with private communities, it is perfectly acceptable to kick out certain members that are not blending in with the rest or are acting in ways that contradict the values of the the owner.
>But won't this mean that faggots will have their own society where they can be degenerates with no one being able to step in?
Given that liberal communities are intrinsically less stable due to promoting bad ideas (social individualism, atheism, not having children) they are less likely to stand the test of time. Given enough time, they are bound to implode in on themselves, either due to a higher cost of living via higher insurance/security premiums, higher alienation among the population, so on and so forth. Also, who said that you can't object? You can still criticize their behavior, you simply cannot violate their agency through physical force unless they violate it first, which is the case in our society also.
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>>3503251To address some of >>3502472's points:
>Blackrock bought up all the land in the country and the only way to get a house is to rent it from them for 80% of your paycheck? That's called free market and there's nothing wrong with it, you commie bastard!Zoning laws, NIMBYs and general bureaucracy arbitrarily lower competition in the housing market, thereby increasing the cost of living. The reason Blackedrock can seemingly invest in property with no end in sight is because Blackedrock essentially gets subsidized if they sell a piece of property and then immediately reinvest that money by paying zero taxes. Quote from Wikipedia:
>A Section 1031 exchange, commonly known as a like-kind exchange, is a transaction under the 26 U.S.C. S 1031 of the Internal Revenue Code[1] that allows owners of investment or business real estate to defer certain taxes when selling property and reinvesting the proceeds into other qualifying real property. It is most commonly used by real estate investors and property owners with low tax basis, for whom an outright sale would otherwise trigger capital gains tax and depreciation recapture. By exchanging rather than selling, taxpayers may defer recognition of these taxes while maintaining continuity of investment in real estate.
>Your entire neighborhood got flooded with indians who replaced you and your friends at your jobs because they work for half the pay? Compete better next time, you fucking leech!The reason why companies can get away with flooding the market with 6 gorillion Indians to replace all jobs is due to, you guessed it, government immigration programs and a lack of competition in the market. In private communities, you can't just walk in willy-nilly like "Hello saar, I am from India I came here to code in Rust saar I'm trans btw". If they haven't given you access to enter, you can't enter, period. Violating this principle breaks the NAP, and gives you the go-ahead to use force to dispatch the brown. Also, if a product that you consume gets enshittified (whether by shrinkflation or Indians) you can just not buy it and choose something else, which is much easier to do in a libertarian society where competition is more frequent due to the government not existing which gives you more choices.
>You got kidney stones? Well, get ready to take out a loan because the free marketTM decided that the kindey stone removal surgery costs $90,000, and the price is the same in every single hospital (not suspicious at all). If you want free healthcare go back to Soviet Russia!Patent law is what causes the price of goods to arbitrarily rocket because it doesn't allow for other companies to compete with the company that came up with a certain idea. Because the transmission of ideas doesn't require theft in order to occur, ideas are not a scarce resource and therefore you can't claim dibs on it like you can in modern society in the form of patent law and copyright. Because the free market is efficient, there is always competition to provide the greatest product for the cheapest price, so you can totally take a competitor's product, reverse engineer it and sell it at a much lower price due to not investing as much money in research. This is especially true with healthcare, since most drugs that are patented have their patent time span extended due to evergreening. Basically, you can't just sit with an idea, do nothing and get paid for it, you actually need to create value and generate profits or else you die as a company.
>Faggots are having butt sex orgies in fetish gear right outside your house? So what? As long as they're not raping you in the ass they're not breaking the NAP. People are free to do anything they want, you fascist scum!See argument above, neoliberalism works parasitically, and a community that lacks the necessary ingredients in order to be stable doesn't last.
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Giga does this btw
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>Most niggas ITT are retarded.
>There is a clear difference between financial libertarianism (no taxes, free market trade) and cultural libertarianism (AKA neoliberalism, AKA "Live and let live"). What most supporters on this thread are advocating for is the former, which allows for free exchange of goods and services, higher competition, and more premium goods and services at lower prices. I severely doubt they are arguing the latter, because:
>1) They are on the fucking Sharty, everyone here is conservative.
>2) In order for a country to have any standing whatsoever, enforcing conservative ideas like large, healthy families, religious attendance and cultural cohesion is non-negotiable.
>Most of progressivism works parasitically, feeding off of the past hard work of people who actually gave a shit about society and by promoting ideas that directly harm it (Atheism, sexual "freedom", etc.). The only reason why shitlibs can attack the nuclear family, Christianity, and promote homosexuality and degeneracy without having society immediately crumble is mostly due to the hard cultural influencers of the past and present. After 80 years of doing just that, the Western world is already showing its cracks with a higher cost of living, more government regulation, higher rates of immigration, lower religiosity and lower social trust. Coincidence? Not at all.
>That's why most serious libertarian thinkers (Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Lew Rockwell) advocate for cultural conservatism and not "Live and let live" libertarianism in tandem with radical free market trade, because they understand that these conservative ideas (large, healthy families, religious attendance, cultural cohesion) are necessary for any country to function. If you lack these important elements, it doesn't matter if you have the best economy in the world, your country implodes in on itself. Paleolibertarianism, in particular, places a large emphasis on the cultural aspect of being right-libertarian.
>Now, just because you respect the other person's autonomy doesn't mean that you approve of a degenerate's behavior. If you don't like someone's behavior, you can still condemn the acts that they commit, criticize them, explain how they undermine the social fabric of society, and refuse to engage in markets that promote such ideas. In fact, with private communities, it is perfectly acceptable to kick out certain members that are not blending in with the rest or are acting in ways that contradict the values of the the owner.
>
>>But won't this mean that faggots will have their own society where they can be degenerates with no one being able to step in?
>
>Given that liberal communities are intrinsically less stable due to promoting bad ideas (social individualism, atheism, not having children) they are less likely to stand the test of time. Given enough time, they are bound to implode in on themselves, either due to a higher cost of living via higher insurance/security premiums, higher alienation among the population, so on and so forth. Also, who said that you can't object? You can still criticize their behavior, you simply cannot violate their agency through physical force unless they violate it first, which is the case in our society also.
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slut for big corporation cock, the foundation of the modern jew
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>>3503251Dude I fucking hate liberals and left libertarians for invading the movement and raping the identity of libertarianism so much (grifters that don't even defend private property). This has been a thing since the 70s and it has been so destructive for the PR of RIGHT WING private property anarchism.
The grift is still ongoing with the faggots that shit on right cultural views like Alis De-ACKKK on xitter.
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>>3503389>Amerimutt>LibertarianTaxed Brass, is that you?
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>>3503451Lots of AMERImutts are LibertARYAN. Also brass would have phrased his arguments better than me.
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>>3503517Brass tried giving me a blowjob in private but I reported him for that
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geg
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>>3503623Xhe really did? I thought he was loyal to xhier troon wife?
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>>3505574The average dude doesn't know how to read past the 3rd grade level, it's over.
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>>3503251trvthnvke
Austrian School economics is keyed even if I don't agree with all their solutions
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>>3505688Marge? Thats just gen alpha?
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>>3505715What don't you agree with?
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>>3505721Gen z too brother
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>>3505758globalisation
having the free movement of goods and capital will inevitably lead to the free movement of labour i.e. mass immigration
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Because radical individualism breads decadence, and state totalitarianism.
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>>3505890Financial libertarianism breeds financial individualism, meaning that you are a single economic unit that can be assigned a numerical value based on your efforts. If you lack proper culture and nurture, then of course that's going to translate to social individualism, which paleolibertarianism stands against. It makes it very clear that culture and economy shouldn't be treated the same way, because ultimately a good economy is supposed to enhance the good features of a good culture. After all, the economy is supposed to serve the individual, not the other way around. Promoting large, healthy families becomes much easier when you can effectively afford them on a single salary. Helping the less fortunate becomes much easier when you have extra money to give.
Also,
>>3505773 the reason why companies can get away with hiring immigrants en masse is because they already hold large monopolies that continue to stand due to the government aiding then in the process. The whole concept of "too big to fail" doesn't exist in an economically libertarian society, because it doesn't matter if you are a mom and pop shop or Amazon, the result is the same: If you don't profit, you die. The only time that isn't the case is when the government decides to step in and bailout the guys that run the systems everyone relies on.
To give you an example, the US government started subsidizing housing in the form of giving money to people that could never hope to pay them off in order to buy houses via mortgage payments. This was especially good for the banks, since not only was it immensely profitable for them, but they were incentivized by the government to keep doing so. When people couldn't pay off their debts and they defaulted on their loans, because the stock market and the housing market were (and still are) heavily correlated, everything went under. Now, in a libertarian society, the banks would've all died that day, because they just lost insurmountable amounts of money. Too bad the government stepped in AGAIN to bail them out.
Basically, the government caused a problem that didn't require them to do anything, they fucked everything up, and the solution was more government. You see why everything is shit nowadays?
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Sexual perversion should not be tolerated.
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Without restrictions the rich consolidate wealth.
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The internet was made by the US Department of Defense pouring trillions into cutting edge military research in the Cold War. It was made by a government agency, not the private market. The private market couldn't innovate as well as the military research arm of the US government.
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>>3506047You frame it as if the creation of value is zero sum. It's not. People can freely choose to work together in order to produce a better result for the both of them. No one is stealing from the other person in order to get richer, especially if they agree on who gets what when the deal happens, i.e. "Since I created all of the systems that you are going to utilise in order to produce value and your only job is to use the systems and not create anything from the ground up, you are going to receive 30% of the profits from what you sell"
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Homosexuality should be illegal or at least forced out of public life.
>>3506055>Oh no, the capitalist owns all the land, fruit trees, coal, rivers, houses and animals. If I don't work for him I can't eat. I can't even go into a house on a cold night, I will be trespassing. I need to work for him to survive.See how it works?
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>>3506056Monogamous fags don't cause any more problems than straights do tbh. Most of their problems come from being manwhores
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>>3506046I never argued the opposite, we SHOULDN'T stand for sexual perversion.
But if you are implying that the only way we can fight degeneracy is through violence and not discussion and argumentation, then you are too cognitively lobotomized to be a productive member of society. If reason and debate is so unreasonable to you because you can't string two sentences together in order to convince either the person you are discussing with or the people around him about your cause, then that's a "you" problem, not a libertarian problem.
Not to mention, violence rarely if ever convinces people of anything. It does further entrench their false beliefs, through.
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>>3506056Also the argument could very well be made that no single retard should be allowed to own everything
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>>3506057Sodomy is degenerate + they contribute to White genocide by not reproducing + very few fags are actually monogamous + even monogamous faggotry involves anal sex that tears your ass, makes you bleed and can make you incontinent (shit yourself randomly)
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>>3506064That only works if the capitalist in question doesn't functionally own the entire continent and is in an agreement with the owners of the other continents to not make anywhere easier to live
>>3506065If you're tearing your ass and bleeding then you're a retard for not using lube.
Also shut the fuck up about white genocide, it's nowhere near the problem you think it is you dumb fuck.
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idk its gay and argentina is a shithole?
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>>3506059You need a
balance between property rights absolutism and protecting ordinary people.
>>3506064>no restrictions on company buying>one capitalist buys every other company in the world>one capitalist owns everything>can't move to a different communityRefute this.
>Also shut the fuck up about white genocide, it's nowhere near the problem you think it is you dumb fuck.Lmao what
White genocide is the biggest issue. Did I strike a nerve? Are you brown? A fag?
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK ▶ №3506071[Quote]>>3506073
>>3506069Neither, just not a retard who thinks the browns are going to maintain infinite growth and not have a population crash like literally everyone else
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>>3506071Don't care. I don't want to live in a non majority White country. Idc if the crash comes in 50 years when my kids go to a 40 percent White school.
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>>3506066The closest thing we have and have ever had in terms of country wide monopoly is the government. You are only proving me right.
Also, what even is the chance that such a thing ever happens? What even is the likelihood of one singular person owning an entire country world of land, the resources that reside under it and the buildings that lie on top of it? Considering that theft is out of the question due to violating the NAP, the only way that a person can ever own an entire country is if he provides cosmic levels of value to the population, as in he provided so much value to the world that paying him with an entire country's worth of resources is more than reasonable. That's "Mining all asteroids across the fucking galaxy to extract gold and iron and bringing it back to Earth" levels of value.
Use common sense to gauge the likelihood.
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>>3506075Nigger forgot about the global banking system and the billionaire cabal. Like a dozen people own half the US, and the rest of the world isn't much different.
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>>3506069>Capitalist offers to buy my company in order to maintain a monopoly>I refuse to sell it>Capitalist can't do shit because of the NAPAlso, even if we assume that he does buy all companies, more companies will sprout up in order to create value, and he'll be forced to buy them up also. Unless he has infinite money, that's not happening ever.
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>>3506075And who enforces the NAP?
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>>3506082He doesn't have to buy them up, he can just fucking undercut them, even at a loss, until the other business dies, and go back to raping everyone
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>>3506082Okay, he'll undercut you on costs and sell at a loss till you can't stay open. He can do this with deep pockets.
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>>3506084Read my mind while I typed.
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>>3506086You're an actual retard if you think they aren't propping each other up
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>>3506087With just me, maybe.
With billions of other people that can create value and innovate in thousands of different sectors, unlikely.
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Don't libertarians need to accept sodomy, trannies and lolicon? You can't stop them or it's le NAP.
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>>3506089GEG, I did take basic economics yes
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>>3506091>rich people would NEVER collude to fuck the masses!Are you underage and inexperienced or just an ideologue?
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>>3506091If you have the amount of money that's being talked about here, no matter what system you're talking about, you are functionally equivalent to the government. Corporations are absolutely incapable of regulating themselves if more money is on the table. The tobacco industry ALONE is proof enough of this.
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>>3502382 (OP)libertarianism is more aligned with anarchism than anything. that's why it's no good
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Mind you, we haven't even considered not buying a product because you think that N owner's business practices are unethical. You make it seem like in a truly free market, people seemingly lose their moral compass and only look at prices and products. Amazon is very competitive with its pricing, and yet people don't buy it due to their morals and ethics. People would rather pay more for less rather than accept lower prices at the expense of someone else's suffering.
Someone who is obviously trying to stifle competition in the most legal way possible doesn't sound like someone who would be supported by the general public.
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>>3506098Gambling industry too.
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>>3506100>Amazon is very competitive with its pricing, and yet people don't buy it due to their morals and ethics. People would rather pay more for less rather than accept lower prices at the expense of someone else's suffering.I can tell you grew up rich lol.
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>>3506100Nigger I handle Amazon returns, that shit hasn't stopped fucking anyone, trust me
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>>3506098At least a capitalist is incentivized to create value or else the company goes under. A government can lose trillions overnight and you can't do shit because it will threaten to use violence if you do.
Abuse of power will ALWAYS exist, but one at least has a self centered reason in not abusing it, the other does not.
Say, would you conclude that governments of today can be trusted?
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>>3506104I trust them slightly more than I do corporations, only because at least in theory we have some measure of control over who gets elected. They're both piles of shit though.
Also you act like corporations wouldn't literally charge you to fucking breathe if they thought they had the power to enforce that. A company at the scale we're talking about literally just needs to ensure it doesn't kill so many people that the company can no longer function, that's it. That's hardly a high bar to clear.
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>>3506104A capitalist is incentivized to extract value. A lot of capitalists make value to get this. Many don't like landlords or stock market traders.
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>>3506109This is also correct. The entire deal with private equity is buying up a company and extracting as much value as possible from it before it bleeds out under the strain
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>>3506110I want to be a landlord one day but I admit lots of capitalists like landlords don't create anything when they profit.
I'm not anti-capitalism, I want to rise to be the rent seeker leech lol.
▶ №3506112[Quote]>>3506115
>>3506111I'm not strictly anti-capitalism either, I just acknowledge that without some serious checks and balances, corporations will ruthlessly rape everyone they can for a quick buck.
▶ №3506118[Quote]>>3506122
>>3506115I'm in favor of the mixed economy concept. Basic human necessities like subsistence food, water, and minimal shelter are not treated as commodities, so you don't just outright die if you're broke. Everything above that is considered a form of luxury and works mostly according to the existing system.
▶ №3506122[Quote]>>3506128
>>3506118My mother told me an anecdote, might be fake and irrelevant but it's amusing.
>an inexperienced soviet diplomat went to britain and saw bread was plentiful in every store on every street>he was stunned and shocked>he said to the others at the embassy, wow, who is in charge of bread distribution in britain? i have to meet him right away! ▶ №3506128[Quote]>>3506133
>>3506122GEG
I'll be real, I don't think this is entirely feasible with the current state of the world, but I feel like it or something close to it is going to be the eventual outcome as we move closer towards a post-scarcity society.
▶ №3506133[Quote]>>3506143
>>3506128I don't think I've ever been to a grocery shop that didn't have at least 2 different types of bread in my life.
▶ №3506135[Quote]>>3506143>>3506144
>>3506111the problem with most landlords in America is them not selling homes to Americans.
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Even communists have better taste in anime girls lol
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>>3506133To be fair "subsistence food" could easily still include significant variety, we're just not going to be feeding everyone fucking crab legs
>>3506135Ehhhhhhhh, real estate being considered a financial commodity has done more damage in that regard.
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>>3506135If you cant beat em
▶ №3506148[Quote]>>3506150
>>3506143If real estate wasn't a commodity there would be a supply shortage of well built houses with amenities like stoves, sewerage and hot water.
▶ №3506150[Quote]>>3506155>>3506157
>>3506148I meant moreso in the sense of treating a house like an investment/financial asset rather than a place to fucking live geg
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>>3506143I was saying I can't comment on post-scarcity, it already feels like I live it for actual needs and I don't want to be able to afford everything I want for a sec cause I don't want to be a soyboy cuck with 300 manga volumes and 200 tranime DVDs instead of torrenting lol
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>>3506151I learned a while back that there are more than enough homes rotting in foreclosure under bank ownership to house the entire US homeless population, so that kinda weighs heavily on my views there.
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>>3506150Snca but i heard once try to convince your parents to gift you money for a downpayment on an investment property instead of paying for a big wedding and rent it while living with your wife/gf at one of your parents' houses
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>>3506150Housing cost issues would be stopped if immigration stopped and the birth rate didn't recover but wtv
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>>3506154oh youre absolutely right about that
▶ №3506161[Quote]>>3506164
>>3505773You're confusing globalization / POLITICAL integration (agreements between states- which are illegitimate gangs that enslave peoples of a nation), and MARKET integration.
Those two are different. You also forgot about private property being absolute- you can still deny access to retarded immigrants that you don't want, or boycott companies that employ such tactics (especially more effective due to steep competition in a truly free market, unlike NOW.)
▶ №3506162[Quote]>>3506166
>>3506154Do healthy and relatively young people who can work but refuse deserve a modern house to live in?
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>>3506161Being allowed to discriminate is the main appeal of libertarianism to me.
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>>3506162You're forgetting that most homeless in the US are in that situation due to circumstances outside their control, like debt from medical emergencies or being displaced by disasters
▶ №3506168[Quote]>>3506171
>>3506166Idk man lots of them are just fucking degenerates and substance abusers
▶ №3506169[Quote]>>3506174
>>3506164libertarianism cant work because retards cant govern themselves
▶ №3506170[Quote]>>3506173
>>3506166whats the portion that was in the same boat as me that just wanted to be homeless and do drugs being a trainhopping travelkid dipshit? because i met alot of them
▶ №3506173[Quote]>>3506183
>>3506170You're kinda what would fit the classic definition of hobo mixed with youthful wanderlust
▶ №3506174[Quote]>>3506186
>>3506169That's the thing. Under libertarianism, the talented, the strong, the wise, the elite - the NATURAL elite - will rise. They will be the ones who will be sources of authority for the GOYIM in libertarian societies. It has been that way for very long in history, minus the fact that the State provided another source of authority - or more appropriately control and enslavement.
▶ №3506175[Quote]>>3506176
>hm, yes, it is purely the government that is the sole cause of problems in society, nothing else
>not even the economy
▶ №3506176[Quote]>>3506178
>>3506175The gov is the one raping the economy…. Like how it rapes everything… My fellow mutts what is this?
▶ №3506178[Quote]>>3506180
>>3506176The government and the corporations are busy jerking each other off, and we're drowning in the metaphorical cum flood
▶ №3506180[Quote]>>3506181
>>3506178Yeah and our children are drowning in the literal cum flood….I love it when everything is run by pedophiles… Woww…..
▶ №3506181[Quote]>>3506182
>>3506180The point was that the government and economy are fucking us in equal measure
▶ №3506182[Quote]>>3506184
>>3506181The Corpos get their influence because they buy favors and mingle with (jerk off) the government.
▶ №3506183[Quote]>>3506187
>>3506173i used to be and that also didnt answer me. lets just take the recent fires in California. how many actual homeowners were displaced vs how many people still live on skid row?
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>>3506182Symbiotic relationship between TWO parasites (though at least the corpo actually produces some what.)
▶ №3506186[Quote]>>3506188
>>3506174that sounds more like capitalism but im listening
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>>3506183They exist but I feel like they're hardly the majority.
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>>3506186That's the capitalism part of AnCap bro…
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>>3506188that was my point, bro
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>>3506188Also it doesn't have to be trade, cultural leaders like pastors, priests and the Pope still matter
▶ №3506197[Quote]>>3506226
Because only pedophiles want no law
▶ №3506218[Quote]>>3506228
>>3506058look around you retard no normalnigger will ever accept the argument that faggots are bad nowadays
▶ №3506226[Quote]>>3506232
>>3506197The so-called "law" under our governments literally protect pedophiles and especially the ones running everything.
▶ №3506228[Quote]>>3506233>>3509254
>>3506218almost every normalnigger is flipping on the idea that fags are actually bad and agreeing. stop blackpilling you faggot.
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>>3506228i hope you're right
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>>3506233dude ive been vindicated all fucking year.
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i don't need your help but if you actually gave a shit then stop blackpilling and start Americapilling
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Cuz they are braniggers
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The amount of undercover surveillance fag cars that use the dont step on snek flag as their license plate pisses me off.
I don't think anyone truely understands what the libretarian party is.
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>>3508460The libertarian party is occupied by Feds. Even when they weren't overrun by faggots they were still shady in terms of efficacy.
No serious libertarian actually likes the party, unless they're a closeted faggot liberal
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>>3506228The right in general is slowly winning the culture war, at least for gen z anyway
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>>3502394I don't believe this. although, I am a libertARYAN and not the run of the mill faggot who has no sense of morality.
and honestly, I dont get it. faggots who speak like this are excusing their moral failings behind legality. this is like saying doing crack is good because its (default-ly, without external contract law) legal in the netherlands (and in ancapistan), when it is clearly not good for you- nor anyone in your area and connection.
<I recently had this conversation with someone while he was on mushrooms- he wasnt a libertarian or anything- and he kept schizobabbling about the omnisaia and goliath or whatever the fuck schizos babble about. I asked him "can you feel an itching sensation on your leg" and he fucking jumped away. Similarly, I asked; "can you feel ana pple in your hand" and he said he could, all while mubling under his breath btw.
Mind-altering drugs alter your mind and make you think you are seeing things that you actually dont. horrible stuff- and evil people.
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>>3509238But look how happy xe is
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>>The free market is unironically the best way to dismantle monopolies.
people who make statements like this forget that the state is the sole reason that "monopolies" exist.
let me remind the /pol/gods and fags that a monopoly is when they are the sole member of business that is operating within a market. given this, how do monopolies happen? unless you can stop anyone else by competing and opening another business in that sector by force, you cant. and let me remind you- aggressive violence is practically the sole feature of the state.
if we think this example here of a bakery, a large one who wishes to dominate a market- in a statist society? they can receive subsidies, monopoly rights (just like the NYC trains service, ferries and such.)
However without such "legalised" aggression, such things are impossible. the bakery cannot force other new, bourgeoning bakers from opening up their own stores. Not without being both an evil faggot on the same scale as the common street nigger, and being an outcast/criminal- which removes the possibility of business for the bakery.
however this is only one example. the fundamental to take from it is that without the state, a business that wants to be a monopoly wouldn't have the tools, public opinion, nor the public support of the "law".
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>>I don't care how degenerate you are as long as you're part of the reich
>I was today years old when I realized that shartycacas are closeted lolberts
You are an open tranny. go back to your dying splinter.
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>>3506166if you are in any circumstance, you are the only person to blame. it is by your choice that leads you down a beaten path. it is by your choice to associate with the people that will drag you down. it is by your choice that you hang arround in drug dens and shitholes and become just like them.
<I live in glasgow, I am not rare form seeing such scenes. when you ask these people why they got there, they blame the fact that they got with the wrong people- they got the wrong ideas about life and now they are too deep to get out. there is no fault but themselves and by the crimes of the compadres.
