Upcoming Rolling Stones release "Honk"

I'm with the person who says they can't be faulted for not bringing out the family jewels:

* 4CDs of extras from SG, Exile, and "Sticky Fingers" (2012-2015)
* A rarities disc (called "Rarities")
* Living/breathing Mick Taylor (2013)

And I've lost count on Live/Vault/"official bootleg" releases at this point. (When I was your age, we bought 3rd-gen VHSes at "record" shows and liked it! Now you can mail-order Blu-Rays from Amazon!! And get off my lawn!)

Not seeing how anyone can begrudge them printing some tourist cash.

 

Those two babies are in joint custody

 

I wonder: would we be more ok with this release if it were a digital only release?

They could have sold the CD just at the shows.

 

ABKCO owned the publishing on all of SF and four songs off "Exile". Getting "Hot Rocks" out the door was a major legal wrangle. The Stones wrote, recorded (and performed. Duh!) a lot of "post-ABKCO" stuff while still technically with ABKCO and were not very good at lying about it.

"joint custody", above, is a very good way of describing the two tracks in question.

 

On a positive note, this release extends the previous 4lp 'Rolled Gold' release (except where it overlaps with those exceptions noted above)

 

I thought ABKO only owned the publishing rights to "Brown Sugar"/"Wild Horses." I was not aware of the other songs. In any event, if they are able to work out the arrangement of keeping Sticky Fingers and Exile "whole", why can't ABKO and the Stones work out a joint box set spanning the entire history of the Stones. I know Grrrr was a collaboration, but the 80 song super - deluxe was hard to find and expensive.

 

Don’t worry.

Rarities 1971-2005, Metamorphosis and Sucking In The Seventies are still easy to come by!

(hehe)

 

You're right but the modern vocals --and other elements --utilized on the Exile on Main St. and ( I think) Some Girls put off a lot of people--including me. And that Rarities disc didn't hang around long.

 

I'm a little disappointed that one of the two live versions of "Fool To Cry" from 2018 didn't make it onto the live album. Those were really special. The feeling of Jagger singing the song (with the line "put my daughter on my knee," with a grown-up Jade Jagger sitting right there in the audience) was rather magical. I guess "Wild Horses" with Florence Welch also from London, bested it by a hair.

 

Publishing and performance are two different things, but ABKCO owned both as far as Stones' work product was concerned.

Then the wars of 1971 commenced.

When all was said and done, ABKCO ended up owning the publishing on works (like "Loving Cup") which were shown to be composed on their company clock. It's stark and clear on the labels of vintage vinyl. Spelled out in black and yellow.

I'm gonna guess that it's simply not worth the Stones' time, or they don't want to go to their collective graves arguing with reps from ABKCO. How many decades are enough?

 

I remain unmoved:

• Those 4CD's worth of extras are hit or miss - Some Girls has the choicest collection, Sticky Fingers was half live cuts, and Exile On Main Street "benefits" from some ill-advised modern day tweaks and overdubs. Happy to have them in the collection, but there's a lot of filler mixed in to stretch out the killer. Also, was no one was available to write up some fresh liner notes or pen an essay or two?
• The Rarities album..wasn't really that rare. No "C**ksucker Blues" and once again, padded out with live cuts. Glad I hung on to that bootleg CD.
• Mick Taylor? At the show I attended in DC the Stones trotted him out twice - to burn through "Midnight Rambler" and then later to play anti-climactic background acoustic guitar on "Satisfaction". Not as much of a gas, gas, gas as I'd hoped.

Yeah, I'm nitpicking - but compared to other box sets and deluxe editions we're really looking at the bare minimum effort here. Thrilled to have them in the collection, but the Stones can do better.

 

That's your prerogative. I'm still angry, myself, about the Japan-only "All Down the Line" on the reissued "Exile".

It was a pretty important "missing link" in the development of the Stones' sound, but did we get it? No. I really hated that move more than the cheesy modern overdubs. I thought "Exile" was all-around the weakest of the three projects.

Rare enough for me. YMMV. Highly satisfying release. Closed some loops. Rocked. Live "Thru and Thru". Can't complain.

Sorry to hear that. Philly2 got MT on both Rambler and CYHMK. And the whole night rocked my face off. At this point, I don't think they owe me anything. Yeah, it'd be nice to have some ABKCO-era stuff with decent SQ, but if the Stones don't get around to sitting in a boardroom with ABKCO at this stage of the game to get it done, so be it. I can't say I blame them.

 

Where the whole shows recorded then from the no filter tour 17-18 if they have various songs from different shows in good enough quality to put out on an album ? It’s took a while to get some released since the 2017 shows.

Maybe there there might be more stuff released from the tours in the future ?

 

My understanding is they record every show now on audio and video.

 

Thought March 15 sounded familiar for some reason. "No Security" tour hit here 20 years ago tomorrow.

 

So Amazon listed honk as well as the Stones. God another compilation

 

If they really wanted to incentivize this comp, they’d make Wild Horses and Brown Sugar the alternate takes from the original Hot Rocks pressing. I fear we’ll never get an (untended) official release of these

 

Why do they get these lame special guests

 

They recycle these same songs, they don't remix or do anything interesting with the material

 

They should have been included on the Sticky Fingers Deluxe Edition along with alternate takes of Sister Morphine and You Gotta Move.

 

Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You'd skip an entire nearly 2.5 hour concert because you don't like one performance?

 

I would love those, but I'm not paying $30 for 'em (the price of HONK deluxe).

 

I’m ambivalent about the Stones after Bill Wyman left: I listened to the album on Spotify and wasn’t really feeling it, and, when Sheryl Crow turned up, I turned it off. Maybe streaming is hurting the music industry, because it let me hear an album before forking out my cash for the CD.

 

Yes, as far as I know they have recorded every note of every show on multi-track digital; possibly going further back to the 90s tours on ADAT

 

And I’m counting on a band like them.

That’s really how it works right? They make money where they can because that’s their job and we choose to dig it or not because that is our right.

I dig it man...without reservation.