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[–]McGillis_is_a_Char 335 points336 points  (13 children)

Right then, let's switch to the revolutionary calendar from France. That seems more rational anyway. /s

[–]sanguinesvirus 110 points111 points  (2 children)

I can't wait to memorize every day's name

[–]Same-Pizza-6724 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Every day has a different name? But there's been millions of them!

[–]RussiaIsBestGreen 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Thankfully they use the Danish list of approved names, so there are only like fifteen.

[–]pass_nthru 16 points17 points  (4 children)

i’d fuck with decimal time, but 365/13=28.0769 which the remainder becomes 1 day so hard to beat that… now if you want to do base 10 weeks you still gotta have a 5-6 day period off every year which i could get behind but we don’t live in that type of world now…which is sad, maybe sprinkle em throughout the year but then you’re back to where we started

[–]thehomiemoth 19 points20 points  (3 children)

The optimal calendar is 13 months, 28 days each, with 1 free day for new years. Monday is always the 1, 8, 15, etc.

[–]Mid-Game1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While I initially fully agreed with this method, I've since come around to the idea of having the one extra day count towards the week as well purely so that birthdays would not always fall on the same day of the week. That way we don't have people stuck with their birthday always on a Monday.

That said, always knowing which day numbers correspond to which days of the week is still pretty nice. It would be good at preventing holidays that shift from doing so as much.

Trade offs I guess.

[–]Positron311 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole point of a month is that it last roughly the same number of days as a lunar cycle.

28 is a bit farther away from 29.5 than 29, 30, and 31 are.

[–]FeldsparSalamander 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wheezy, sneezy and freezy are good month names

[–]Famous-Register-2814Still on Sulla's Proscribed List 3 points4 points  (1 child)

We should just do everything in radio carbon dating, Before Present, by which we mean, obviously, before 1950. /s

[–]veridicide 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"They just recalibrated the Hallstatt Plateau and now I'm middle aged!"

[–]GriffinNowak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything needs to be base 10. We need a metric calendar

[–]No-Professional-1461 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please god no, anything but a calendar made by the fr*nch.

[–]acciowaves 82 points83 points  (7 children)

While we’re at it, how come BC is ‘Before Christ’ in English but AD is ‘Anno Domini’ in Latin?

[–]Cliffinati 82 points83 points  (1 child)

Because BC was applied retroactively by English speakers whilst Anno Domini was applied by the pope who conducted his official business in Latin

[–]dragonblade_94 33 points34 points  (0 children)

As far as I'm aware, the history on the adoption of BC is pretty unclear. But the crux of it is that the BC system wasn't introduced until later, after AD (Anno Domini) had already been established. 

[–]LaceBird360Kilroy was here 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's shorter than "In The Year Of Our Lord" 2026.

[–]themilkywayng 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wait until you find out what anno domini means!

Pretty sure their implication was why did we just not keep both abbreviations latin OR make them both English.

Then again I guess it wouldn't be the English language tendency of being inconsistent and hodge podged.

[–]LiesInReplies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You tellin' me 'Befora Christo' isn't proper Latin?

[–]BelgrifexFine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Obviously we should realign the calendar to before and after Lego Star Wars II hit shelves

[–]Fabulous-Mud-9114 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why LSW2 and not The Complete Saga?

[–]abfgern_Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 183 points184 points  (27 children)

I'm more annoyed that CE&BCE sound really simmilar and are much more of a tongue twister to say. Surely a better choice could have been made.

I heard somewhere a suggestion for "Backwards Counting" and "Ascending Dates" to just stop the fuss

[–]Lugh-67 57 points58 points  (15 children)

I think we should make it simpler and just go back to AUC seeing as western culture is a continuation of Rome. 2779 AUC is the current year.

[–]tobiascuypers 52 points53 points  (10 children)

I prefer adding 10,000 years, the rough time ago of when humans primarily stopped hunter gathering and settled and started agriculture. Plus calling it the 12,026 year sounds cool too.

[–]eggdanyjon_3dragons 11 points12 points  (2 children)

thats basically how the byzantines did it!

[–]tobiascuypers 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What did the Romans ever do for us

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The aqueduct?

[–]AcidBuuurn 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Amazing that humans started agriculture exactly 10k years before Christ. What a coincidence. 

[–]Nuclear_eggo_waffle 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Turns out harvesting wheat was an infinitesimally small sin all along. Just enough so that over 10 thousand years of doing it, we were due for a good sin-forgiving

[–]PablomentFanquedelic 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Agriculture was the forbidden fruit

[–]joxarenpine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

stop farming! only i can give you your daily bread!

[–]tobiascuypers 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I said roughly and it’s an even place to start. It would be absurd to think there is an exact date. Farming and agriculture were probably practiced in small scale and locally with individual knowledge before gradually becoming “common” knowledge. That would have taken probably hundreds of or thousands of years, but we can deduce that the first “civilizations” (in the broadest sense of the word) were popping up around 12000 years ago.

[–]AcidBuuurn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m saying that it is still based around the approximate date of Jesus’ birth, which is exactly what OP and I are mocking: People wanting to remove Christianity’s importance and contributions without doing the work of actually changing anything. 

[–]RussiaIsBestGreen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Biblical literalist start date for year zero, but then really go to town on all the human history BBT, Before Biblical Time.

[–]Exploding_AntelopeWhat, you egg? 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s always that one silly suggestion to start things at 10,000 BC/E for the approximate start of agriculture, then you get things like Alexander dying in 9677.

[–]AardvarkOkapiEchidna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or we could just not care that a name has religious origins, like with the months and days of the week.

[–]Cliffinati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ave true to Ceasar

[–]Audivitdeus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, let’s go back to the Trojan War

[–]RonaldinhoReagan 27 points28 points  (6 children)

As a teacher its infuriating. BC / AD was so much easier to differentiate. Not only is BCE / CE more confusing, different documents use different terms, so we have to teach both which adds to the confusion.

I know it seems simple enough, but remember this is a voluntary history sub where we all are interested in the field. For many students, especially at lower learning levels, this is an additional hurdle that makes learning more difficult.

Then of course there’s the little fact that this being ‘secular’ is a sham once you ask the question “what separates the two eras?”…

Another one of life’s simple pleasures ruined by meddling bureaucracy!

[–]Cliffinati 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Seriously the birth of Christ is a major event in human history regardless of if you are a Christian or not as his life and death radically changed Europe, America and Middle East irrevocably.

If we are going to change the date system it should be to the founding of Rome instead of changing the terms for BC and AD

[–]laughingnome2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why not the birth of Krishna? Majorly changed the world as well, and we could be living in the year 5254.

[–]Cliffinati 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because it wasn't the Pope of that religion that created the modern calendar

[–]laughingnome2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is more that the entire thing is arbitrary.

[–]TAU_equals_2PI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You misunderstand. The problem with BC & AD is that religious people don't want to be forced to essentially say that Jesus Christ was "THE Christ" by using BC with dates. And say that Jesus Christ was "our Lord" by using AD (Anno Domini) with dates.

They would have been fine with BJ (Before Jesus) for example instead of BC. They have no problem with acknowledging the guy's name was Jesus. And they have no problem with using a dating system based on the birth year of Jesus. They just don't want to have to say things that imply acceptance that Jesus is God.

(I'm not one of these religious people. I'm atheist.)

[–]SapphireSalamander 3 points4 points  (0 children)

isnt it as simple as "B stands for Before" and that way you easily identify which ones is pre and post split?

[–]historyhill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, BCE and CE are only one typo away 

[–]Not_dead_Jay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or we could just use « - » for BCE/BC

[–]Nimue_-[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my language is v.Chr. and n.Chr, and when pronouncing you never use the abbreviation. I'll take bce and ce

[–]amortized-poultry 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Neil DeGrasse Tyson honestly has a really good defense for using BC and AD as opposed to BCE and CE.

If I remember correctly, it boils down to: It's unironically a very astronomically accurate and impressive system, and the monks who created it have the right to name the eras.

[–]Jim_skywalker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s a good point. Imagine if you’re a scientist and make a breakthrough, and name it after something of cultural importance to you, only to have your name replaced down the line “cause it wasn’t secular enough”. Now that I’ve thought about that, that’s honestly pretty bullshit.

[–]12_15_17_5 55 points56 points  (4 children)

The way past cultural eras have left imprints on our language is actually really cool. Obvious examples like the Norse days of the week, and the thousands more less obvious ones that can be studied by linguists. It's almost like philological archaeology, "digging through" language to learn about the past.

People who want to go through and erase that due to the latest ideological fad are both cringe and boring.

[–]GreatGigInTheSky855 289 points290 points  (49 children)

I just think it’s funny that some people are so hellbent on using BCE/CE that they try to correct others who say BC/AD. It gives the same energy as “Latinx”

[–]JuKrab 162 points163 points  (32 children)

The funny thing is that from what I can see IRL the only place this change is controversial is in online history forums. Academia made the swap years ago and doesn't care anymore and the general public still happily uses BC/AD and doesn't give a shit that it supposedly changed without anyone telling them.

[–]SinesPi 134 points135 points  (30 children)

Mostly it bothers me for the hypocrisy of it.

The 'Current Era' is still defined by Christianity. Just be honest about it. If you HAVE to change it, make it BC and AC for before and after Christianity / Christ.

Personally I find "Year of Our Lord" to sound badass and I'm not even religious. Ano Dominae sounds cool too.

[–]Sername111 60 points61 points  (9 children)

When I worked for the British civil service the official style guide preferred CE but defined it as "Christian Era", which I didn't actually mind as it acknowledged the historical relevance of the date without being a declaration of faith.

[–]SinesPi 26 points27 points  (6 children)

I still don't like changing it, but at least it isn't lying about what 'Year Zero' is.

[–]DrieHaringen 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The real problem is that the year zero does not exist.

[–]SolKaynn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Of course it does! It's right before year 1!

[–]robotnique 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Wait until you find out that the year 1 isn't anything! Given that Christ's likely birth date is 4 to 6 years prior.

[–]RussiaIsBestGreen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That’s how a virgin birth works: the kid is born before the pregnancy.

[–]robotnique 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's how I want my nativity scene. A four-to-six year old child just appears and tells three magi that he definitely just emerged from that lady in the manger.

[–]Same-Pizza-6724 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm surprised no one interpreted it as meaning we are, and always will be from 2,000 years ago to forevermore (because we codified as our timing frame), in the Christian Era.

I'm stubborn so it's BC and AD to me, cuz thats how I learnt it like.

[–]TelevisionEastern116Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about every year we push year zero back so we’re always in the year 2000

[–]uncutteredswin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Part of the argument for changing it is that it's not really accurate to historical Christian scholarship either, the year 0 was picked without any actual evidence of an association with Jesus, it's always been arbitrary.

So just call it what it is instead, an arbitrary start date for counting the years

[–]TraditionSea2181 13 points14 points  (5 children)

That’s my thing to. Like ok what happened in 1CE to make it the “common era”?

[–]NoobOfTheSquareTable 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Loads happened but what almost certainly didn’t happen was Jesus being born

This based off of us known events in Roman history and the biblical accounts Jesus wasn’t born in 1, I think it is out by about 5 years give or take a year

Now, most of the Christian churches know this as it is directly from biblical studies but much like the people switching bc/ad to bce/ce they agree it isn’t worth unending the entire calendar system

Incidentally this makes CE more accurate as 1CE is literally in reference to the commonly accepted start of the calendar, which is indeed exactly Jan 1st 1CE

[–]jacobningen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean the Baladi community wss using the Seleucid era as late as the 1400s AD.

[–]Detective_Yu 9 points10 points  (8 children)

It’s kind of metal like Warhammer40k. The Emperor protects.

[–]SinesPi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately "It is the Twelth Millenia" just doesn't roll off the tongue as well, if we go by when he first took active participation in humanity.

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The Emperor protects! Cadia stands!

Edit - You can downvote me, it does not change the fact that the planet broke before the Guard did.

[–]Same-Pizza-6724 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Man, I'm on the side of the dudes that broke ya'al, and I'm up voting ya.

Couldn't have asked more in my opinion.

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Common ground with a Heretic!?........ Fuck, the Commissar is definitely gonna execute me.

[–]LifeWulf 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oh absolutely. Any heretical materials I can take off your hands before your execution? For proper disposal, of course.

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just this hand drawn picture of Slaanesh's ass that a Chaos marine dropped. I was definitely going to turn it in at the next opportunity

[–]LifeWulf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds familiar…

[–]No_Extension4005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speaking of 40K,  while they have their own calendar and dating system on a count of how much of a cluster fuck keeping the time is between the different star systems and Warp fuckery; it pretty crazy to think that they still technically have 1AD as the starting point some 41,000 years ago. Even though their are probably only a handful of people in the entire Imperium who might have heard of Christianity.

[–]Ana_Na_Moose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AD (Anno Dominae) literally means “Year of our lord”. It doesn’t inherently mean any specific lord I don’t think.

All hail Lord Lucifer! /j

[–]Sly_Wood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“Common era” not current..

[–]NoobOfTheSquareTable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isn’t hypocrisy, it is exactly why it is called common era

It is directly referencing “hey, this is just a neutral way to name the embedded system to avoid changing the year and months and days of the week but removing the part about it being the lords year”

If it is hypocrisy then so is the Christian’s using a tweaked version of the Julian calendar and month and day names all tied to other religions gods

It isn’t hypocrisy, it is just making a small adjustment to better suit the times and people using the system

[–]TheLegend2T 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of the misalignment between common and and academic terminology though

[–]Lugh-67 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I’ve been seeing it the other way. People will dismiss entire content worths of information about subjects I find interesting because the presenter says Bce/ce. “BEFORE WHO!?”

[–]WattageToVoltzRatio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Before Christ's Era/ Christ's Era

[–]Titswari 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My big thing is that there is no year zero, they skipped a whole year.

[–]Admirable-Safety1213 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zero wasn't a thing in Rome IIRC

[–]LastEsotericistStill salty about Carthage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m fine with either and I don’t even mind pedants much it’s just a particularly annoying form of pedantry. Like, they aren’t even “technically” correct they just want something to correct someone on.

[–]MsMercyMainFilthy weeb 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is why I support using the human era instead, if we're switching. Plus it means we're living in the 10 thousands. That or be truly based like me and use the French Republican Calendar

[–]WattageToVoltzRatio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ew Fr*nch

[–]jeebus16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only people hellbent on correcting anyone are the Bc/Ad people. I don't care what you use

[–]Post_Washington 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel the same thing about people who stubbornly refuse to acknowledge BCE/CE as being valid.

[–]GreatGigInTheSky855 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that’s fair. You could even make up your own units in place of AD/BC, I don’t really care. But outside of academia, it makes no sense to “correct” people for using AD and BC. It’s pedantic.

[–]Standard-Divide5118 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neil degrasse Tyson put it really well, he said that st. Gregor was the scientist who came up with it and we should respect his name

[–]markrevival -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

hellbent is weird here because unlike latinx, it's everyone in academia been using BCE CE forever so its weird if you don't use it

[–]RemmingtonTufflipsFine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I first heard BCE used in a kids DVD full of educational songs about history that was made in like 2005, so it's not even just an academia thing and hasn't for a good while now.

It's pretty bizarre that so many people on in a history community don't know this basic convention used when talking about history.

[–]DonnieMoistX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Found one

[–]n0tqu1tesane 52 points53 points  (14 children)

Days of the week are Nordic. Today we worship Máni, the counter of the years.

[–]AceOfSpades532 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Depends on what language you’re speaking

[–]n0tqu1tesane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We appear to be speaking English here

[–]abfgern_Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Apart from Monday, Saturday and Sunday...

[–]RynewulfFeatherless Biped 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mani already covered Monday, and they also shared Sunday they also did the sun on that day too. Although it seems the Germanic days of the week liked up with the Romance ones due to the Roman and Germanic gods being syncretically compared to each other, so splitting the lines for monday and sunday is a little moot since it was an inherently mixed system.

Now Saturday is the weird one, the Norse were having their wash day but apparently in Old English speaking parts of the early medieval world we thought Saturn was still pretty cool on some level. And according to some later monks we were piously Christian-stinky compared to those finely groomed Norsemen

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

they are indeed i just meant they are named after gods no matter the religion

[–]Dry-Scheme3371 12 points13 points  (4 children)

But to say that a system that pivots the structure of measuring ancient time around the death of a one guy they felt was special versus referencing the names of ancient religions is the same is disingenuous or bad faith.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't see why that is. Jesus meant as or more as the Nordic gods did at the time each named their respective system. The whole calendar we use is established by the pope it makes sense we would date around the most important date in christian history.

[–]Cliffinati 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The history of the calendar is insane

The Georgian calendar is only a slight modification of the Julian Calendar created by fucking Julius Ceasar.

[–]joxarenpine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you learn something new every day lol thats so cool

[–]Cliffinati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you realize how absolutely busted the Roman calen before the Julian was, what the Romans did to keep it straight. Who kept it straight and who held the role at the time ......

The Julian and Gregoian Calendars were both created by popes who were annoyed the seasons and months no longer aligned

[–]cheshsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the language, but I suppose the post assumes English anyway, so who gives one.

[–]ThaneKyrell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In English. Different languages might name them differently. Most Latin based languages name the days of the week after Roman gods and the days of the weekend for the Jewish Sabbath and the Lord's Day, except for Portuguese which decided to name them after the days of the Holy Week.

This creates a really different system from the other European languages, since Portuguese days of the week are: Domingo (sunday), segunda, terça, quarta, quinta, sexta and sábado (from the sabbath). Segunda, terça, quarta, quinta e sexta just mean "second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth"

[–]Exploding_AntelopeWhat, you egg? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But also the moon, like from. The sky.

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 57 points58 points  (11 children)

BC and AD are a very minor concession to the architects of a very good and accurate calendar. It's impressive as all hell and should be respected.

Also, I will call a Crusade if not an Exterminatus if you bastards try to change it.

[–]ajgmcc 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Except the architect of the calendar was Caesar. A pope 1500 years adding a small extension doesn't change the fact Caesar built the building. It should be Before Caesar and After Caesar.

[–]12_15_17_5 19 points20 points  (8 children)

The Gregorian calendar was/is remarkable for its combination of accuracy and simplicity. Especially for the time.

The Julian calendar, on the other hand, was mediocre, even compared with other calendars of its era. It was on par with the older Coptic and Seleucid calendars.

So, the architect of our current calendar's "very good and accurate" nature was indeed Pope Gregory (or, if you insist, Aloysius Lilius: though of course Julius Caesar certainly didn't design "his" calendar himself either).

[–]Skeledenn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ok maybe his calendar wasn't so perfect after all but he still made a great salad.

[–]NoobOfTheSquareTable 2 points3 points  (6 children)

The Gregorian calendar is only accurate because of its distance from the Julian calendars start

They literally had 1000+ years of time to look at and see how much the days had drifted and from there is is relatively simply maths to work out what to do to make it run better long term

For reference the Julian calendar comes out at 99.998% accurate with a day gained every 130 years

The Gregorian with this information just divided how far out they were by how many years it had been since it was last set correctly, shunted the day to line up properly, and took out a day every 100 years ignoring every 400th years. It is a day every 3300 years which is a long time but only an order of magnitude more than the Julian

It was a small tweak that couldn’t be made on the timescale and one at the council of Nicaea could have every known about because they didn’t have the advantage of 1200 odd years

Interestingly we have since learnt this and now use a calendar that is, by orders of magnitude tied to accuracy, just as if not far more altered than the Gregorian calendar was

[–]12_15_17_5 2 points3 points  (5 children)

All calendars since the bronze age have built off each other and used known tropical year drift to "fix" things. Indeed, the Julian calendar itself was stolen almost wholesale from the aforementioned Coptic calendar put forth by Ptolemy III (the only real difference being the 12 vs 13 months).

The Gregorian calendar was stringently verified against astronomical observations before promulgation and the math involved was certainly more impressive than the Roman tweaking of the Coptic calendar for their own ends. And indeed, the Copts themselves had hundreds of years of the classic Egyptian calendar to fix things.

No one should dispute that the Gregorian calendar was an impressive accomplishment but if people really hate it that much, it would make more sense for a replacement to honor Ptolemy III rather than Caesar.

[–]Number-Thirty-Four 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If it was the OG Julian calendar I would agree.

Besides, the Romans adopted Christianity.

[–]Ok_Volume3211 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve noticed quite a few historians, in written work or media appearances still using BC/AD.

[–]someoverallvalue 57 points58 points  (7 children)

This change 100% brings up the most reactionary side of me possible- just seems like a pointless attempted wipe of how central Christianity has been to history. While also still being based on Christianity...

[–]TheCraftyGrump 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same, I can understand wanting to keep certain things clearly secular to avoid mixed priorities. Still, retroactively going back to remove direct refences to things based on religion is needlessly complicating; especially considering that it is not being completed adopted by different groups. Christianity has had an undeniably major part in how western civilization has developed, trying to deny that is disingenuous at best.
It is one thing if it was changing something relevant, helpful, or necessary but it isn't. The adoption of the Gregorian calendar from the Julian calendar was to address a legitimate problem in how dates were recorded causing a growing drift in how the days were counted and their actual time of year. It was necessary.
This? Changing it from A.D. for Anno Domini (meaning year of our Lord) to C.E. for Common Era doesn't have a benefit. What does it accomplish? It adds confusion for some and makes others mad. I know it is reductive to say, but the motivation feels like, "Religion no longer exists. It has no place or effect in current society. It has never had an effect and will never be relevant. Having any mention of it taints the purity of our conventions of pure reason and logic." That's probably more than a little hyperbolic, but the point behind it is still there.

[–]Cliffinati 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Exactly because everyone who knows even the slightest thing about history is going to ask "before who?"

[–]RussiaIsBestGreen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Before John the Baptist switched from “I’m telling you” to “I told you so.” Obviously.

[–]SquirrelNormal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're in the year 2026 ITYS

[–]Wild_Hog_70 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mostly just don't like that "common" is a meaningless place holder. You could keep BCE/CE and have the C stand for "Christian". It would be descriptive without having to imply endorsement of Christianity like AD does.

[–]Cyberguardian173 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The only benefit I can think of is that "common era" sounds rad as hell. BCE is too long and sounds too similar; why didn't they make it something like "previous era?"

I guess being in English is another advantage. Who today knows what "anno domini" means.

[–]No_Extension4005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm against changing to CE and BCE because switching the names but keeping the same starting point and end point as BC and AD because it would be a logistical pain in the ass to change it just feels like stupid busywork.

[–]ammar96 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think what makes it even funnier is even Islam called BC and AD respectively as Before Masihi and Masihi years. Guess what Masihi is? Yes, Messiah. Literally the same context as BC and AD. Even we are confused why on Earth people are trying to change the naming into BCE and CE.

[–]Visible-Air-2359 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I mean considering modern historians believe Jesus was born between 6 BCE and 4 BCE using BC means that you are saying Jesus was born 4-6 years before Christ which obviously doesn't make sense.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

thats more acceptable then thinking the Current Era started 2,000 years ago

[–]Cliffinati 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ah yes that "common era" I share with ...... Augustus and the Parthians?

[–]MrMr_sir_sir 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I think the “Common era” should be the agricultural revolution, or when writing systems were started.

We should either be in 12,000 CE or 5,000 CE.

[–]JuanmaSingh 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Fun fact that's actually a thing and is called Holocene Calendary/Human Era, we are right now in the 12026 H.E

[–]FeistyClam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh. You've got to be kidding me. As much as I love the idea of basing the date off something like the beginning of agriculture, that naming system is the worst of all the options.

For one, it's just the current system with 10k years tacked on, so it's still tied to christianity when you look under the rug - not optimum for intense secularists.

Second, my main issue with CE is how we went from a system with no overlapping letters, BC/AD, and switched to one with mostly overlapping letters, BCE/CE - we were making this from scratch, how did we make it less clear?? HC/HE does very little to fix this issue. Not optimum for dyslexic people or people who dislike missed opportunities to improve stuff. 

Third, it rhymes. HC/HE fucking rhyme if you're talking out loud. Now BC/AD also rhyme, but at least the B and A sound distinctly different. Not optimum for people with bad hearing. 

[–]Exploding_AntelopeWhat, you egg? 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AD/CE dates in Holocene are boring you just add a digit. It’s the BC/E dates that get fun. Gobleki Tepe dates to the year 500. Catalhoyuk 2500, also cats domesticated. Corn is domesticated in Mesoamerica in 3000. By 6000 we’re already halfway to today, and still to come… 6700 we get bronze smelting. Papyrus invented 7000. The Great Pyramid built and Maya culture emerges both around 7400. Stonehenge 7800. The last mammoth on earth dies in 8000. Gilgamesh was written in 8200 which really gives some perspective on it starting with “in ancient days.” By 8800 we reach the Bronze Age Collapse and the setting of the Homeric epics. Almost three quarters of the way through the Holocene to the present. The first Olympics are in 9224. Rome is founded in 9274. Buddha born 9437. Confucius born 9449. Plato born 9573. And you get the idea that now there’s so many thinkers and cultures and writings that things get really complicated and really fast moving for the last quarter to sixth of the calendar.

[–]The_Oregon_Duck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I prefer using B.P. because it actually has scientific merit, in fact, I think it should be the standard calendar with the metric system.

[–]Thiaski 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Common Era, the Era that is Common, the Era that became Common after.... check notes.... the birth of Common.

[–]Valirys-Reinhald 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm fine with getting rid of AD, but "BC" literally just means "Before Christ." Like, it literally just describes the event around which the calendar shifted, and it legitimately is one of, if not the, most important events in western history.

Not only that, but the Monk's out in a lot of work for that calendar.

[–]robotnique 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suggest we simply submit to our Chinese fellows and call it year 4724

We honor the Yellow Emperor

[–]Lord_Parbr 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You forgot the big one. What’s the cut off point between CE and BCE? It’s still the supposed birth of Christ

[–]robotnique 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Given current historical consensus we should be obligated to change it to AWJWFOS. Around when Jesus was four or six.

[–]Independent_Ad_6348 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I Like Anno Domini not because of Christianity or anything I just think the words sound cool lmao.

Also after death is vague enough that it Doesn't HAVE to be Jesus it could be after death of like some turtle idk lol.

[–]EverestMadiPierce 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I love the idea that there’s Before Christ and After Death then just a random like 33-year gap in between where time just wasn’t tracked.

[–]Independent_Ad_6348 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was that time When 12 year old Jesus Beat the shit out Of Godzilla. You cant prove me wrong cause time wasn't tracked during that period.

[–]EverestMadiPierce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was prolly in One of the apocryphal gospels

[–]Jack_ChurchNobody here except my fellow trees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't a problem for us Vietnamese. All of our months are numbered from 1 to 12 while the days of the week are numbered from 2-7 plus a Chủ Nhật (Christians called it Chúa Nhật literally The Day of the Lord).

We also use BCE (Trước Công Nguyên) and CE (Sau Công Nguyên) because we borrowed the terms from China and because BC/AD are mouthful in Vietnamese (Trước khi Chúa giáng sinh and Sau khi Chúa giáng sinh ) (Before the Lord was born and After the Lord was born).

[–]Rex_Nemorensis_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What’s really stupid about this is the fact that CE and BCE still use the birth of Christ as its basis.

[–]EverestMadiPierce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Godzilla had a stroke reading this and f’ing died

[–]wasnew4s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Before Census. After Documentation. There fixed.

[–]ABZB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I only have an opinion because of how much I loathe the Roman empire.

I'll keep my preexisting lunisolar, leap months and all.

Roma delenda est.

[–]choppytehbear1337 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Gregorian Calendar is just a slight modification of the Julian Calendar. Made by Julius Ceasar.

[–]clairejv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I maintain that setting the "Common Era" to the birth of Christ is more Christocentric than Anno Domini.

[–]PerpetuallyLurking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even after years of seeing CE and BCE, and knowing perfectly well what they’re supposed to mean, I still read them as “Christian Era” and “Before Christian Era” because it really always seemed exactly like what they meant but they didn’t want to say “Christian” either. But anyway, whether I’m Christian or not, it was made by and for Christians initially - we could make a new calendar, just like Gregory did…either let’s do this properly and start from scratch again (that was the Julian calendar, I guess, one of the Pope Greg’s just got credit for tweaking it) or just accept that it’s a Christian calendar made by Christians for Christians and it’s spread further than anyone really planned for.

[–]DoctorMedievalFine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Because Jupiter, Mars, and Venus are all well known Christian deities?

[–]reverendsteveii 28 points29 points  (0 children)

only on Wodin's day, Thor's day, Frig's day and Saturn's. Maybe on Tyr's day too

[–]Particular-Style-161 36 points37 points  (1 child)

The point is there’s religious underpinnings to a lot of the things we use everyday that no one cares about. 

[–]ChimpsArePimps 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Probably because calling something Wodin’s Day doesn’t imply belief that Wodin/Odin is Christ Our Lord and Savior, unlike both “Before Christ” and “Anno Domini”.

Every time this gets brought up I really wonder if yall would keep the same energy if it was “The Year of Allah the One True God” instead of AD.

[–]abfgern_Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Because people are singling out their (unfair) dislike of Christianity under the plausible deniability of removal of all religious naming.

[–]DoctorMedievalFine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I mean BCE and CE have religious underpinnings as well.

[–]_Twas_Ere_ 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Subjects like this just make it glaringly apparent how few of you in this subreddit are in academia lol

[–]YaBoiChillDyl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not really shocking at all considering how much of this sub is either just missionaries with zero interest in history, Lost Cause Myth propaganda or holocaust denial and mods just allow it.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Brother it's a meme sub reddit I don't know what superiority complex you have to have to think you are above anyone in this sub if you take part in it

[–]_Twas_Ere_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No, it has to do with the fact that it’s an inaccurate, subpar meme.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://tenor.com/view/smug-laugh-snicker-arrogant-dbz-gif-3562506087890241727

how my guy felt saying that while on his phone taking a shit.

[–]TheHistoryMaster2520Decisive Tang Victory 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should note that many Jewish people use BCE and CE because they don't want to refer to Jesus of Nazareth as Christ, because it contradicts their religion

[–]adumbCoder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they made the flipping calendar they can name it whatever they want

[–]Background_Relief_36Definitely not a CIA operator 3 points4 points  (6 children)

The planets are named after the Roman gods which are named after the Greek gods and the days of the week are Nordic. This is just wrong.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

No you just didn't understand that i meant yes we have always named things after religion. You just saw Christianity on reddit and got your fingers moving

[–]Background_Relief_36Definitely not a CIA operator 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you’re going to make a meme about how we name things after religion, at least make it more readable.

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I apologize I will make it easier next time. Perhaps more pictures and bright colors?

[–]Background_Relief_36Definitely not a CIA operator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No. Just make it more clear that you’re talking about religion in general and not just Christianity.

[–]vociferousgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really like the Greek Days of the week: Two, Three, Four, Five....

[–]EmiliusReturns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And the years are the same anyway.

[–]champsgetup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember Louie CK's question. Something to the effect of "Do you think the world is 2017 years old?"

[–]Big_Pirate_3036John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t even matter jesus wasnt even born on 0 AD

[–]EtherealPheonixFine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't we just all agree that it's 1778552433 (at the time of writing)

[–]HorrorYoungTea-aboo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not use BP/AP we would even have shorter numbers for years and we would get to celebrate the first century!

[–]MIST3Runstoppable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before Christ Existed, Christ Existed

[–]zxphn8 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We got Unuber, Duober, Tresber, Quatuober, Quinqueber, and Sexber now, plus Unudecember and Duodecember

[–]Riothegod1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the last two were just named after prechristian Roman Emperors.

[–]LazyDro1dKilroy was here 0 points1 point  (1 child)

no its because "year of our lord" isnt right for everyone. its the year of someone else's lord

[–]Salty_Strain3313John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave![S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't have to be the year of your lord its the year of the lord of the people who made the calendar

[–]disphugginflip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So planets are from Greek and Roman gods, I get that. But what about the calendar dates? Besides July and August of course.

[–]MegazordPilot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Restore "Ab urbe condita" #SPQR

[–]jamesyishere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you talking about just the names? because time is highly rational, down to leap years and leap seconds. The way we count years, even including bce, is based in religion tho, which I why I use the highly rational year of 10,026

[–]Loonytalker[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Right, because the followers of Norse gods are the ones trying to limit who can be married based on what it says in the Elder Edda...

[–]TheSuperSegway 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The days of the week are not from Christian works, they are from the Nordic lands.

[–]Ok_Volume3211 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No shit that’s his point.

[–]DonnieMoistX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think Jupiter is of Christian origin?

[–]RalphMacchio404 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont mind BC.  Thats fine. But AD is annoying because it ain't the year of my lord. Lets just go with BC and AC. 

[–]SoftwareSource -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Stop changing things, most of us are old.

And pluto is a planet.

[–]littlebluedude111 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh well. It is. It's a dwarf planet.

[–]Successful_Baby_5245 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Roman 1:How about we add julios and augusto to screw The numerical part of The calender?. Roman 2:yes.

Ps: thats Why Why its december(10) october (8) etc.

[–]Mopman43 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Nah, July and August were just renaming the old months for 6 and 7.

The problem is when they added January and February and at some point in the 100s BC it became custom for January to be the 1st month (because they wanted 'war season' to start in March, Mars' month)

[–]Successful_Baby_5245 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Romans realy screwing everything at some point, Just like when a emperor changed ALL months named to be his name.

[–]Mopman43 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm not familiar with that one?

[–]Successful_Baby_5245 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think It was Before the gladiador/hercules cosplayer one.

[–]Outrageous_Bear50 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Marcus Aurelius and Commudus?

[–]Successful_Baby_5245 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, i think It was commudus. There was to many Roman emperors that You Begin to forget who did what.