On Elira

ExcitingPermission32 · 2024-05-30T05:34:03+00:00

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Nightrunner823mcpro · 2024-05-30T19:18:24+00:00

I'm gonna be honest, I was in the same boat as you but as all the others have pointed out: you can read as many rrats as you want but the fact stands that the black screen is the sole reason shes lost our trust. Unless she had a gun pointed to her head or was threatened into being fired, she made the decision to participate in the black screen video and say the things she did to keep her ass from getting fired.

My only bit of copium was that she tried making it sound as robotic and forced as possible to show it wasn't from the heart, however shes continued as if nothing happened and that in itself is sickening. As if she didn't just mock and bully her coworker after she attempted suicide, right in front of what is now millions of people.

Elucia729 · 2024-05-30T05:27:51+00:00

The rrats are all baseless fanfiction that have no evidence anywhere.

All we really have is the Black Stream and that's enough. That stream was vile and reprehensible and everyone involved in it, Livers included, should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

And personally while I don't wish Elira, Ike, or Vox harm I also don't have an ounce of respect for any of them.

omrmajeed · 2024-05-30T04:42:10+00:00

She is a snake. I used to watch her a lot before blackscreen video. She was my oshi behind Pomu and Selen and after their departures I actually defended her and company to tell others not to unsub before we get more info.

What she did with the black video was disgusting and reprehensible. She posted it on her channel right at the moment of Doki's advertised return to gaming stream, she did it when Doki went live, she lied on the video and slandered Doki to make it seem like writing actual addresses on legal letters is tantamount to doxxing, but MOST IMPORTANTLY, she did it all knowing that the person she is publicly slandering just attempted to take her own life. THAT is a reprehensible act no matter the context, no matter the pressures, no matter what.

I watched Doki react to finding out about it live, I saw a mentally fragile person hyperventilate, panic and end her stream. Thank God she didn't relapse into another attempt. She had to rebute all their claims in a tweet where she mentioned how her dad cried in front of her for the 1st time because he was scared for her.

Whats interesting is that the black screen stream wanted to convince us that there was no bullying, but they were bullying their ex-coworker live in front of the whole world.

What Elira did was unforgivable. (Vox and Ike too, but I never watched them, and cared about their content so I don't care about them). Her nice and cozy streams were a facade. She looks like a dragon, but she showed the world that she was a snake.

PS: I don't care if hanamori or rrat nonsense is real or not. The black screen video is the proof that she is a bully and she will throw vulnerable people under the bus for her own benifit.

l7986 · 2024-05-30T07:40:38+00:00

The most egregious thing to me was the "mental health" breaks the black stream crew took after that stream. They gave absolute no fucks about the mental health of a coworker to the point that she tried self deletion twice, but all of a sudden its something we are supposed to believe they take very seriously because they started getting called out on their shit.

Would have had a bit of respect for Elira and friends if they at least stayed and faced the fire but instead they pulled the total bitch made move of running away from the problem they created.

Mudblood4 · 2024-05-30T05:38:55+00:00

I think most people in the comments have given you the genuine idea, but I'll add that she's been caught in a number of lies trying to make the situation sound worse than it is, and any time anything close to the topic has come up, she's been goofing off and making jokes about herself being a victim.

That said, I'll answer your last question since you seem to want to take the neutral position on deciding this. The company did set her up. I think she's a confused kid with a lot of insecurities who tries to paint herself as a victim and as a kind person for the attention, or maybe even somewhat of a leader, but is very cowardly. It happens. Nijisanji at the end of the day is the wicked bitch you should be hating. Elira still needs to take a level of accountability for her actions though and I feel that the best thing to do is dismiss her. If she works for it, she deserves a second chance. That second chance however shouldn't be coming from the public she lied to when she was helping a company to cover up a suicide attempt.

And, even with that said, some of her past activity since then has lined with Vox's attitude of referring to all of this as "The Bad Times", in other words lying to remaining fans to keep them on their side. So even when I say she might deserve a second chance elsewhere, I have my doubts she'll ever move toward deserving it.

mahaanus · 2024-05-30T07:55:59+00:00

Is there any genuine instances to fuel the hate towards Elira or is it just heat of the moment with people getting caught up in the situation and the rrats.

As you can see in this thread, the only thing people have against Elira is the Black Screen. Whatever that should justify that level of hatred depends on how you think of the situation. She has a pretty spotless record outside of that.

One thing I see come up is her connection to Hanamori and the nepo hires.

Keep in mind Millie was a pretty big when she applies, so it's not out of the question for both her and Enna to have been hired on their merit. Shu and Uki also weren't exactly small fishes either. Not saying that she couldn't have fudge a manager's opinion, but these people weren't exactly nobodies when they went in.

Villag3Idiot · 2024-05-30T04:50:29+00:00

The Raziel doc that Niji just self-reported themselves killed the Elira = EN's shadow manager rrat.

The girls went to both Elira and Luca to deal with Aster harassing some of the girls. However, neither she nor Luca could get management to do anything nor could Elira just deal with him directly. This proves that she doesn't hold any authority in EN.

Live_Juggernaut4984 · 2024-05-30T04:14:14+00:00

For me, the top reason why I dislike her (I won't use the word hate though, for someone who literally won't affect my irl at all) is

The Black Stream.

The black stream basically erased all good faith i and a lot other people have to her.

You may argue that she is forced or anyother excuse you or i can think of but at the end of the day, she DID try to slander her suicidal ex coworker and lie about risk of heing doxx by doki.

Any other reason only adds spice to it.

From the get-go, I don't believe that Elira is the leader of the clique or the leader of the branch. Why would the leader sacrifice herself as the sacrificial lamb? You don't need to be stupid to think that you will leave the Black Stream unwounded. But I still believe she is part of the mean girl clique.

The Hanamori is a case where the same "coincidence" happens more than three times. This can no longer be called a coincidence but a pattern.

One thing that i can say to anyone who 100% use raziel doc as a cold hard fact is that Raziel doc is never verified by the other party except falseeyed and then again, falseeyed didnt show how he verify it.....

Not saying that what she said is complete lie, but all of it is mostly her POV and she did said she is biased. I dont think it is wise to use her doc as a ultimate evidence and i saw it the same as other major popular rrat.

Add context: just because niji sent legal threat to raziel doesnt mean what she said is all true, we dont know what part is true and what part is false or biased. The legal threat is a textbook response of a corpo, but somehow niji response come extremely late and just making the doc resurface...

LynxRaide · 2024-05-30T10:53:45+00:00

I really don't trust Nijisanji so sometimes I wonder if Niji actually lied to the three about some things as well. I would say both Elira and Vox were disappointing. However,I don't trust Niji with anything so something tells me they are not at fault as much as we think they are. Niji is such a trashy company so they could have misinformed their own talents. Anyways I'm still disappointed in the two but I don't know the full story. I don't personally hold any bad feelings towards Ike though. He looked like he hated actually being there and seemed like he was genuinely close to Doki when she was in Nijisanji. Tbh I actually don't know why he was there he didn't seem like he wanted to be there either.

FogBattleshipYamato · 2024-05-31T03:40:00+00:00

I doubted Elira at first to make sure I was not going to conclusions as most people did in the black stream, but the more i see her, and to the extent, rest of NijiEN try and stream while Doki is streaming a few times. then i concluded that "yeah, she's not worth my sub anymore" and moved on

groynin · 2024-05-30T16:51:04+00:00

Do I dismiss her or continue to give her the benefit of the doubt?

Well, what do you intend to do when you decide? If you give her the benefit of the doubt, will you watch her? If you dismiss her, will you harass her?

As thing stands, to me, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt, but it doesn't matter too much since what I am doing won't change: I'm just ignoring her and the rest of niji, even the ones I still actually like. Without knowing the behind the scenes, without any visible changes or even apologies, the only course of action as a viewer is to ignore Niji and stop watching them, maybe letting new viewers know what they are getting into. If you do that, you don't have to suffer any dilemma thinking about what-ifs.

Sievas2034 · 2024-05-30T04:34:56+00:00

Snakedora the correct way to reference her cannot be trusted. The black stream proved that

No-Weight-8011 · 2024-05-30T08:07:08+00:00

I will still wait on more information as we only have black stream effect (the dislikes she gotten since) other than that, we got nothing yet apart from rep remains ruined

Until Q4 then

Bla_Z · 2024-05-30T13:52:22+00:00

I remember having this discussion with you under another post, so I'll spare you a recap on my stance. But something I didn't mention is that I was a long-time Elira fan before shit hit the fan. I was very angry after the black stream, but I was still willing to give her one last chance to (at least try to) mend the broken trust when she'd eventually return.

Honestly, the only way she could've made it any worse was if she'd started dancing on Selen's grave. There are things that I just cannot tolerate, and I was already pushing past my boundaries after the black stream by giving her the benefit of the doubt. In a sense, I'm glad she cleared things up for me at least, now I can completely reject her without looking back, just like she rejected all of us who couldn't just keep unconditionally supporting her like nothing happened. Even Kotoka could express regret about what happened with Zaion, even if I don't believe a word of it, what's important is that she was allowed to. Like many other livers, in fact. There's simply no way Niji's control extends as far as you think it does, and even if it somehow does, what does that make Elira? Is she really still the same person I had grown to respect and appreciate?

At the end of the day, you too are grasping at straws, only the straws you're grasping are to keep having faith in her. But no amount of benefit of the doubt can excuse a grown adult woman from participating in a blatant character assassination against a former friend of hers, while knowing she attempted twice before escaping from the hellscape you're representing, defending, and risking your entire career for. That, is a cold, hard fact. Obeying orders doesn't absolve one of consequences, so if she refuses to accept them, then I can't accept her. Simple as.

The-Toxic-Korgi · 2024-05-30T04:30:49+00:00

IMO, the black stream is the only real thing to be upset about involving her. Everything else is either all rumors with no evidence ever provided, speculation, or things twisted to look worse than they actually are (like the One Piece quote).

I think she needs to make right with Dolki if she ever graduates (which I hope everyone does if they're willing), but that is better done in private. Same with the others like Finana, Zaion, Ike, etc. Other than taking the power away from Niji, what I consider the most important is mending bridges and healing if both groups are able to.

They've done wrong, but you can be a part of an abusive cycle like in Nijisanji while also being a victim yourself. It's maybe a little naive, but I hope this story manages to end with more people coming together and making amends than the alternative.

Moo1XA · 2024-05-30T09:06:10+00:00

In hardship like these, I realise who worth my time and accompany. It's their decisions in the storm that break into my heart. I know them more in these occasion. And now I'm happy with the result.

asday__ · 2024-05-30T11:31:21+00:00

Motherfucker she DIRECTLY tried to cause a third suicide attempt, fuck Elira, I hope she rots in hell.

ipsyijo13 · 2024-05-30T13:55:04+00:00

Whats the point of this post if you are going to debate everyone's answer and defending elira in the guise of 50/50 nuance in every single comment replies

PowerfulSentence4609 · 2024-05-30T04:08:30+00:00

She is the EN manager, she let most of the talent in NIJIEN ( enna millie) , and now i think she in debt because of this role, i just can imagine nijisanji have clausuls about "damaging their brand" And elira need to pay for it, so she cannot leave niji and work for them kaybe for 3 year+- , yes this is full assumption

Bearshirt34 · 2024-05-30T23:58:05+00:00

IIRC, Elira mentioned that the private document mentions her and Millie's name which increases the possibility of the elira manager rrat.

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