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Especially after a year and a half of lost productivity.

You have to feel the pain of that in some manner.

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· 10 hr. ago
Friedrich Hayek

Remember, there is no free lunch.

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· 15 hr. ago
r/place '22: Neometropolitan Battalion
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No that’s just the average voter in this country

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This sub, it’s so weird.

I came here because I didn’t like Bernie being the entire front page.

I stayed because it changed my cold heart on all the new apartments around my house.

Then you tell me the average voter is dumb, and I agree with that too. Does this sub do nothing wrong?

Oh fuck…what’s the DT?

Jeb?!? Coloring things yellow and saying Jeb? You thing that’s humor? You do that for every election? Why?

Why are there comics about the DT?

…Ugh…. Worms? You literally are the least funny people trying to be MegaMind.

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I think most people in this sub recognize they are grossly unqualified to talk about most topics, which is why this is about worms.

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Why isn’t Biden smashing the “End Global Supply Chain Problems” button on his desk?

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· 20 hr. ago
Milton Friedman

Sounds more like late stage capitalism that thinks inflation is just greedy rich people.

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· 18 hr. ago
Commonwealth

Every political sub has come up with their own crackpot theory on what inflation in and somehow no matter what its unilaterally caused by the people that sub doesn't like

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· 19 hr. ago
George Soros

Well r/neoliberal still thinks inflation is transitory and purely due to supply chain issues both subreddits can live in different fantasy lands.

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I mean we could eliminate some tariffs and maybe write some legislation to abolish the Jones Act. The legislation probably won’t pass but we could at least try. Reducing supply issues would help.

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What’s wrong with the Jones act? I’ve never heard of it being a serious problem even if it is protectionist.

Wouldn’t repealing it also obliterate the economies of our Caribbean neighbors like The Bahamas?

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· 19 hr. ago
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· 8 hr. ago
Daron Acemoglu

Easy. Cut tariffs.

Lower prices for goods and better access to materials to make more goods.

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I’m 100% on board with this, but I’m also not convinced it would have a large impact. It would help, but the economy has to slow down.

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· 15 hr. ago
Commonwealth

silly OP stonks only go up.

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How so? I think most people on this sub, and plenty of other people as well, realized long ago that we were setting ourselves up for a massive inflation bubble.

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· 12 hr. ago
Norman Borlaug

JUST TAX LAND IT WILL FIX INFLATION

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· 8 hr. ago
John Rawls

Making land use more productive would unironically reduce inflation

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There's zero policy that the US can take currently that will stop global inflation, because the global inflation is due to the currently ongoing food/fuel/production insecurity from the decoupling of the US with the Russian and Chinese economies. The federal reserve raising rates as the US decouples from these economies is probably a giant mistake. No one is talking about this.

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Not true - things like real estate and labor cost inflation are directly affected by fed policy.

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That's a lot of confidence that the fed increasing money supply drastically had no effect. It's not like the stock market went up 120% in two years or anything. Perfectly normal economic behavior.

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· 14 hr. ago
Scott Sumner

Why isn't Japan experiencing high inflation if it's global?

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Yeah I mean fuck it yolo. Had to happen sometime.

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· 14 hr. ago
Genderqueer Pride

No, wrong. Inflation is caused by more money entering the economy than the economy is using. It's healthy at a certain point, but can be curtailed by means other than just slowing the economy.

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Its called a soft landing idiot read a book

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Don't worry. When the economy inevitable slows down and inflation inevitable cools off, republicans will be sure to let us know its all democratic failure and the rubes will eat it up.

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· 16 hr. ago
Greg Mankiw
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Hope you’re ok with you losing your job

Hey, I’m finally unban

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It's the way I'm planning to buy a house

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STOP PRINTING MONEY THEN!

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This hurts to see

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Can someone explain how slowing the economy helps with inflation?

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· 5 hr. ago
Thomas Paine

Reduces demand

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· 3 hr. ago
Bisexual Pride

Free trade and open borders would help both.

If only someone was advocating for that...

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**Originally posted on r/ActiveMeasures by u/LRLOP-TA. Reposted here with their permission-- all credit to them! **

Previous posts here and here by robotevil on this topic were welcome, so I hope this follow-up is too. I got permission to post this on a throwaway.

TL;DR

For years the (Russia-backed?) head mod of r/MurderedByAOC and other popular left-leaning subs, LRLOurPresident, has been posting propaganda to anger, misinform, and demoralize US progressives and encourage them to stop voting. They reinforce this by using bots/alts that copy-paste their past comments immediately after a post goes up. For a long time LRLOP and the alts only talked about US student debt cancellation, and had been in hibernation ever since Russian sanctions began after its invasion of Ukraine. While LRLOP was gone, the only other active mod, voice-of-hermes, has been working overtime to delete posts/comments critical of tankies and Russia in LRLOP's subs. Now LRLOP and the bots are back, using US progressive politicians to push a new pro-Russia narrative.

The History

Despite the name, r/MurderedByAOC doesn't have much from AOC or murders by anyone, really. It used to be that a long time ago, but for over a year it's typically consisted of one person posting misinformation/propaganda designed for enraged and increasingly apathetic progressives to latch on to, then using alt sock puppet accounts to immediately copy/paste old comments (so they're likely to be seen first and upvoted to the top, comments were often gilded immediately for this purpose as well). In the meantime, the post immediately gets massive upvotes (probably by bots, it's easy to buy upvotes on reddit, but who knows) to boost it towards the front page where it can rise more organically.

The person behind this is LRLOurPresident (tho people often mistakenly think it's "IRL" which is a different user that's already been banned, while LRLOP is still going). Here's some of the best examples of the kind of "propaganda" posts they've made:

Anyway, after a post was made, comments immediately started popping up, wow that was fast! Actually these are alt/bot accounts obviously controlled by LRLOurPresident. They would copy/paste their old comments, mostly to r/MurderedByAOC but sometimes other subs within LRLOurPresident's network of 20 subs they mod, with only minor or no variations. Even a quick glance at their comment history reveals this:

finalgarlicdis crambledont DrWaxu DCokeSpoke

These were the only alt accounts for a LONG time, but haven't been seen in a while (since the Russian sanctions) and are slowly being replaced. Lately new bot accounts have been popping up, usually created within minutes of a post with a prepared comment to immediately copy-paste. Mostly they just copy-paste comments from themselves or other bots, though the most recent ones sometimes write something slightly more original, and many are likely controlled by another mod (more on that later). Some are even shadowbanned on reddit (but their comments get mod-approved anyway):

originaltas 500lettersize lettergetterbetter aquapropazicene recruitcat desktopramtr juniormemento okcriver servicewithastyle nooneedle lowerbullfrogalfalfa jazzlikeenergydelay

Anyone pointing out the copy/pasted responses of this bot network in the comments are deleted ASAP to keep up the scam (but running MBAOC posts through reveddit.com reveals this).

Lots of lies hits spread in political subreddits were nurtured in r/MurderedByAOC by these bots. For over a year they've been focused on Biden and the Democrats to sow division:

  • When it appears Biden isn't doing enough, repeating that he said "Nothing will fundamentally change". Actual context: Said to wealthy people to assure them taxes increasing wouldn't really affect them

  • Biden and the Democrat congress have done literally nothing! Well except for this list of dozens of things...

  • Biden hasn't followed through on his campaign promise to forgive $10K in student debt by executive order (He said he would do this if Congress gave him a bill to do so, not by EO)

  • Biden said he'd cancel $50K in student debt by EO! (There is no context for this, it's literally just made up and repeated by the bots enough that others assume it's true)

  • Who's the architect of and solely responsible for legislation disallowing student debt from being discharged during bankruptcy? Of course it's Joe Biden! Except the bill was written by a Republican and would have passed an R majority Senate anyway, he just voted for it. (Also saying it can never be discharged isn't true, though it's certainly NOT easy and few try)

LRLOurPresident's "sanctioned" vacation

Once sanctions against Russia began after its invasion of Ukraine, LRLOP's posts went from near-daily to about once a month. With LRLOP stepping back, the only active mod in MBAOC and a dozen other LRLOP subreddits was voice-of-hermes, who ever since Russia invaded Ukraine has gone mask-off as a "Yes daddy Putin please flatten me" tankie. Or has he? Really their entire worldview boils down to "USA bad", so NATO and Ukraine bad, so constantly supporting Russian propaganda is really just a cRaZy side-effect. Surely it's a coincidence too that reveddit reveals they've been deleting anti-Russia comments and those that encourage voting in any subreddit they mod (including non-LRLOP "leftist unity" subs, AKA tankies welcome/encouraged).

When the only active mod calls anyone slightly right of Bernie a liberal/neoliberal and anyone to the right of that a fascist and ensures the sub's posts and comments reflect that, the end result is you could be a fan of Bernie/AOC or just progressive/leftist and yet find a sub like MBAOC or DemocraticSocialism surprisingly hostile, especially if you're not aware of how many comments get removed and assume "Well, I guess this is what progressives think?"

LRLOurPresident's return

All of LRLOP's posts (except one) since the sanctions 2.5 months ago are pro-Russia, and LRLOP is back to posting nearly every day:

  • Comes out for first time since the Russian invasion to... use Bernie to simp for Russia. Guys, ignore what the entire world is enraged about, what's really important is the US is JUST as bad. This submission comes after posting almost exclusively about cancelling student debt for MONTHS prior

  • Comes out again a month later just to steal someone else's post that got popular on MBAOC without them. No time to set up bot comments on this one when you're copying someone else's work

  • 3rd, weeks later, not about Student Debt or Russia but Roe v Wade? Has LRLOP turned a new leaf? Oh it's because hours later once the post got 14k upvotes they sticky a comment to SIMP FOR RUSSIA AGAIN! As usual it's really easy to find the bots in the full comments, just look for the ones with awards

  • A day later, again using Ilhan to spread a pro-Russia message. This time the comments go off the rails, with everyone disagreeing and pointing out the propaganda in the alt's comments until over half the comments are deleted and the post is locked! Also the best evidence yet that bought upvotes are also used on bot comments: Their top-level comments have hundreds of upvotes yet additional comments underneath preaching the same pro-Russia anti-US/NATO sentiments have massive downvotes, one even sitting at -135. Maybe it's too expensive to upvote them all? All these bot comments sound exactly like voice-of-hermes's "US proxy war" bullshit, it's becoming apparent that the new bot/alt comments that aren't just copy/pastes of their old comments are controlled by this mod

  • Still pushing the same agenda, posted days after AOC voted to send more money to Ukraine anyway, the exact thing these pro-Putin mods are against, because she too realized it was necessary!

  • More of the same, with voice-of-hermes replying to himself on his various alts in the comments ...pretty sad really

  • Edit: Brand new post, time for a 2 year old tweet by Bernie to make it look like he's against giving aid to Ukraine, propaganda from bots already deployed

Other Notes

Thank you for reading. I hope you found this post informative and consider sharing it elsewhere on reddit

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