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"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
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Thumped for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
I'm pretty certain that this is the US politics thread, not the "people posting on the US politics thread" thread.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:27:39 AM by RainehDaze
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For the people who's Trump's policies are directly affecting (DACA anyone?), baseless platitudes of optimism literally are the last thing they want to hear.
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Luigi, I'm not really sure why you think the United States is so special in this regard. People do terrible things, and then sometimes people stop doing terrible things. That happens everywhere.
Which, incidentally, probably does need to be said to more people who act like the United States is worse in regard to this than other countries or people. But at least as far as that goes, it can be explained by the United States having much more influence than other places, so it's more apparent.
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Yeah, I probably shouldn't have fallen for What Art Thee and Luigi's bait.
Pierre Trudeau's elephant quote springs to mind:
"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
edited 5th Sep '17 9:30:13 AM by M84
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
"I think part of the negativity stems from how far we've come, only to get thrown back even further than things were under Bush. It's the same reason suicide rates tend to be higher in the middle-class than the lower-class - different baseline standards.
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Yeah no, you go a populist for the first time in.....pretty much ever, and even them trump is a badly authoritariam and the dems have manage to react quickly, compare to other countries were the oposition to the authocrat was wiped out quickly, it make the pessimisn sound worst that it is.
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X6 I was referring to the fact you said the US reputation has been damaged that it will take decades to repair. That's all, nothing less and nothing more.
And that what annoys me the most from you, coming up with assumptions and immediately start up a rant against said person, and yet you have the gall to claim they should be clear next time. Not to mention...do you have an article to back up your claims of how this is the worst period of US history or that US reputation will take long years in fixing?
I'm not demonizing you, if I did then I would call you any sort of insults or anything but I don't raise my voice in bold fonts like most of you but I don't, because it shows hostility to the user.
I don't want hard feelings, but your rigidness is what makes this hard and not knowing how users handles the way you want to fix them.
That kind of language is what may set off many conservatives or bigots and refuse to change from your words, they only do if they see otherwise or have a self-understanding of what to do.
I was referring to the fact you said the US reputation has been damaged that it will take decades to repair. That's all, nothing less and nothing more.
And that what annoys me the most from you, coming up with assumptions and immediately start up a rant against said person, and yet you have the gall to claim they should be clear next time. Not to mention...do you have an article to back up your claims of how this is the worst period of US history or that US reputation will take long years in fixing?
I'm not demonizing you, if I did then I would call you any sort of insults or anything but I don't raise my voice in bold fonts like most of you but I don't, because it shows hostility to the user.
I don't want hard feelings, but your rigidness is what makes this hard and not knowing how users handles the way you want to fix them.
That kind of language is what may set off many conservatives or bigots and refuse to change from your words, they only do if they see otherwise or have a self-understanding of what to do.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:33:01 AM by Luigisan98
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It never ceases to amaze me that the third largest country on Earth and the one that has perhaps most benefited from immigration manages to produce so many people with this viewpoint.
Also, someone teach Sessions the difference between "can not" and "will not".
It would still be unreasonable to just let anyone into the US without any checking though (who knows what motives some of them may have). Also, there would be a point where the job market would just be over-saturated and couldn't compensate for all the new, mostly low-skilled, workers.
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I'm probably not going to respond to your posts anymore, but I feel like I should at least correct you on something. I only said it would take a lot of time and effort to repair diplomatic bridges. I NEVER said it would take decades.
Oh, and nice try claiming that while not bothering with a quote block while my actual post is on the previous page.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:42:02 AM by M84
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
"He ‘is not my bride. I am not his bride, nor his groom.’"
O....Kay? Weird way to put(in) that Vlad.
Oh, I'm not saying that it's entirely unreasonable, but the US holding that attitude is a hilarious irony.
I also enjoy being pedantic about can, may, and will.
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208040 TobiasDrake5th Sep 2017 09:48:19 AM from Colorado, USA
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He's a incompetent manchild with a viciously anti-Obama attitude, but he's nowhere near as bad as Erdogan with his purging of all political dissetents, Putin with his iron grip on Russia, and Duterete with his mass murder of drug offenders
Not for lack of trying, is the thing. Our system was designed to be heavily resistant against authoritarian takeover, and we're seeing that now through the courts and Congress's efforts to contain him. But he's still sowing very clear seeds in his efforts to turn public sentiment against the media, against the concept of peaceful protest, and against various "external threats" that are coming to murder you and rape your women.
The Deep State, the Mexicans, Islam, Trump has no shortage of "threats" to rally hate groups against and he has not been hesitant in doing so. Shit, before he was even elected, he was saying that he would not accept the election as legitimate if Hillary won and outright suggesting to his supporters that they should murder her.
From the beginning, Trump's been showing clear signs of authoritarianism. He's trying to be the kind of leader that Hitler was. He doesn't get points for the fact that the rest of our government is working overtime to keep him from being successful at it.
It would still be unreasonable to just let anyone into the US without any checking though (who knows what motives some of them may have). Also, there would be a point where the job market would just be over-saturated and couldn't compensate for all the new, mostly low-skilled, workers.
Immigration is a scapegoat in that regard. The true threats to an over-saturated job market are automation and trade. As technology progresses, the available pool of jobs decline. The same is true of other countries prospering economically such that it becomes more economically beneficial to import goods than manufacture them in-house.
Neither of these are problems that can be solved. What they represent is the natural state of progress. That there will one day come a time when there aren't enough jobs for everyone is a fundamental reality, a truth as inescapable as climate change. Blaming it on immigrants is just the right's way of prettying up anti-Mexican sentiment so that it sounds reasonable, but like most GOP policies that conveniently target brown people disproportionately, it's just rhetoric draped like a veil over a campaign of hate..
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Escorted Luigisan out for a chat.
Now, can we get back on topic, please?
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Immigration is a scapegoat in that regard.
When in doubt, blame immigrants.
Oldest dirty political trick in the book. Hell, it's older than books.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:51:08 AM by M84
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
I just don't see Trump as an "authoritarian", "autocrat" or "fascist" at all. In countries with autocratic/authoritarian leaders there's almost no power to the house, senate, or local legistaures, only one party with representation, very limited freedom of speech or freedom of press, state-run media, the leader getting anything he wants done and having no leash...
The US currently doesn't fall under that at all, and I highly doubt Trump's going to turn the US into a dictatorship/authoritarian regime.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:54:50 AM by WhatArtThee
Just another day in the life of Jimmy Nutrin
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
that he is planting the seed is one thing, that he is doing right is another, so far the hypebacklash against republican is strong enough that I cant see them surviving trump.
edited 5th Sep '17 9:52:04 AM by unknowing
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That he is a very incompetent authoritarian doesn't mean he isn't one.
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
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Blame immigrants, and pit them up against seniors or veterans or another group you pretend to care about. Classic tactic, and sadly effective to.
No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt. -Pierre Trudeau
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And it's doubly effective if religions are involved. See: anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
Maybe he wants to be a strongman leader like Putin but until he actively starts dismantling democracy I can't really call him an "authoritarian leader".
Just another day in the life of Jimmy Nutrin
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That still means he's an authoritarian. Yes, he's stymied by his own incompetence and the way the USA is structured, but that doesn't mean he's not an authoritarian.
Basically, he's frustrated that he can't control the USA the way he controlled his business.
Honestly, him being a wannabe-dictator is really not that great either. It's obviously better than him actually being a dictator, but it still isn't great.
edited 5th Sep '17 10:03:42 AM by M84
"You got the touch
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
You got the power"
- Stan Bush, "The Touch"
208050 ITNW19895th Sep 2017 10:03:51 AM from Long Meat, USA
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He's been demanding loyalty from top figures who shouldn't be swearing loyalty to him (Comey, anyone?), followed by him trying to discredit or paint anyone who says anything even remotely critical of him as fake or against him—be it the news media, Congress, his own staff, or the DOJ, among others—just so his own followers will blindly listen to him and him alone. You're telling me those aren't the acts of an authoritarian?
Like M84 said, just because he's terrible at being authoritarian doesn't mean he isn't.
edited 5th Sep '17 10:04:33 AM by ITNW1989
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